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When doing collaborative benchmarking with teammates, it is not allowed to submit a single run for many user accounts. Please use only one of the existing accounts or make a shared account for the subteam.
richba5tard
06-19-2006, 16:04
Hear hear. : )
http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=626242
http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=623483
Khm, one user - two results?
You can always mention your fellow benchers in the description of the result
I've send a mail to No_name :)
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=577489
There is still no any verification :( ORB link is broken
Got a question about team runs guys , may be you can make it more clear :) Ok , heres the story - 2 members from another team , aparently from one city , had a bench party and created a new member/bot to upload results from that bench session . Nothing wrong about that but the thing is that EACH of those 2 members already has results submited with that video card model that was used in that team bench session , 8800GTX Single and SLI . Is it legal and alowed ... to create a bot user and upload results from hardware you already have results published on your real accounts ?
Please use only one of the existing accounts or make a shared account for the subteam.
How many shared accounts for sub-teams can be created in one team?
It is possible to make few (3-4) accounts named like "<cityname>-subteam" for users who lives in one city and benching together sometimes?
I think counts of shared accounts must be limited because it may be used just for getting "another set" of global hwpoints... so my question is - how many shared accounts per team allowed?
RyderOCZ
08-06-2007, 15:32
So now this Moscow_Subteam scores should be blocked or is this legal?
I can take my hardware over to another member's house, we can bench as a subteam with this hardware and add points to the team? Both members of this "sub-team" are already in the roster for the main team and are earning points for this hardware.
The scores for the individuals are not the same as the scores for the sub-team, but you should not just be able to create a sub-team with existing members just to get more points... should you?
Sub-team: http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=10238
Individual Users on Sub-Team:
http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=5961
http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=6680
They got together and basically added 350+ points to the team because they ran Single and Dual cards.
RyderOCZ
08-07-2007, 14:20
Please see above.
If this is going to be allowed, I need to get busy.
richba5tard
08-07-2007, 15:04
Well, it's an annoying subject. As the hwbot contest isn't done in a controlled environment, we have no way to be 100% sure people aren't swapping one cherry picked 8800Ultra around between team mates.
Our official standpoint is this: sharing hardware for a one time bench session is allowed, but actively sharing hardware in order to get more points, is prohibited.
We know we can't fully enforce this rule, we can only give warnings when we suspect ill behavior and act accordingly when there is no response.
RyderOCZ
08-07-2007, 15:18
Ok, so basically what I see and understand is this:
1) I can take my hardware (which is all giving me points and will continue to do so as I push it further) and get together with a fellow team member who also brings some of his hardware.
2) We can bench and create a new user for this "bench session" submitting all the results from it, as long as they are not any of our own scores from previous runs.
3) If these runs place that "team" in an area that earns hwboints, the sub-team and team will be credited with those points as shown in the above example.
Do I have that right?
richba5tard
08-07-2007, 15:31
I'm not sure whether I follow you 100% in point 3, but yes, if the new user made for the benchsession would be coupled to eg. OCZ benchmarking team, both the user and the OCZ team would gain hwboints from it.
RyderOCZ
08-07-2007, 15:48
Exactly my point jmke .... I don't like it, I don't particularly intend to do it, but I want to know what my team is up against ;)
I think you should just say no, you can't have a "sub-team" consisting of members that have individual scores.
If you have a group of guys that don't submit individual scores, that want to get together and have recognition/contribution as a group...more power to them.
But for team members to just decide to get together on a weekend, then make a new user, call it a "sub-team" and have it earn over 300 points in the same categories that individually have already been granted hwboints. I don't care for it.
harleybro
08-07-2007, 16:33
I totally agree that this is wrong. I brought up a question to the BE team a few months back. My gf was getting into ocing. I asked the team whether I should let her bench my rig on LN2 and submit the scores. I would give her suggestions as to what was wrong when she walled but it would be up to her. Overall the majority suggested it wasn't ethical. So now it is ok for me to grab my rig and visit each player on the BE bench team and submit a score while benching with each one? I believe 2 members are in NJ and another 2-3 in NY so saying 5 differant bench sessions with the HW I have and we can earn the team an easy 200-300 each session. This would mean a quick extra 1000-1500 pts. for the team or more. I think the higher score wether it be the the individual user or team effort should be kept but a team should not have a score allowed for both a single user and a team. If this be the case why have team scores? I think it would cause false results among all teams. If you want to make this fair on any level this should not be allowed. As a matter of fact to scare people out of doing this sort of thing there should be a post or front page stating so. Give the teams time to adjust there scores and if not have the teams banned from the hwbot system.
harleybro
You pretty much summed it up in that post. I think most teams would view what you proposed with your gf the same as BE did. For the majority of teams there probably doesn't need to be a rule covering this type of submission. It's clearly a form of double dipping so to speak. But now that at least one team has cast ethics aside and it has been approved by HWBot most teams are going to have to rethink their position. Because at the end of the day the playing field has to be level.
harleybro
08-07-2007, 22:22
But now that at least one team has cast ethics aside and it has been approved by HWBot most teams are going to have to rethink their position. Because at the end of the day the playing field has to be level.
I agree.......funny it almost makes submissions here worthless, especially when it is so easy to rack up points just by visiting others. I thought the whole point of the newer version was to generate charts and logs of useful data to compare. I guess you now need to factor in a divider on what you think may possibley be the same hardware being run in a differant location.
But for team members to just decide to get together on a weekend, then make a new user, call it a "sub-team" and have it earn over 300 points in the same categories that individually have already been granted hwboints. I don't care for it.
Lets hope hwbot staff wont allow that sort of unethical behavior on hwbot :(
Lets hope hwbot staff wont allow that sort of unethical behavior on hwbot :(
Our official standpoint is this: sharing hardware for a one time bench session is allowed
Sounds like it has already been decided. Nothing is ever cast in stone though. Maybe this decision will be reversed in the future. :)
I suspect a working solution would be that team scores are only derived from a specified number (and listed) set of team members. Like in team sports - so many active players in the game and unlike most team sports unspecified number of substitutes. That is inclusive of collective benching sessions. In other words any team score would only be made up of a pre determined number of team member submissions, be it the complete team collective benching as one group, groups of the team pooling equipment and benching together or individuals benching alone. What the ideal number would be is up to the moderation and admin staff to deciede. Each team captain would have to nominate which "members" are to be included in the team listings. The desiginated team caption can change team members as and when she/he sees fit. Much like any sporting event, substituting players in and out of the game. Once in your results are then inlcuded into the totals accruing for the team total if you as a member are substituted out of the game (so to speak) your results are removed from the totals accruing for that team. But of course the individual results will still remain and accrue individual points but not team points.
The coding is not to difficult I would suspect and designated team captain can either edit team lists them self (the option I would suggest) or pm mod staff to do so.
So lets say ... 2 people from a team , that already have boints posted to their accounts from non group benching with 8800GTX and 8800GTX SLI are allowed to create a phantom bot , get together and add another 300-350 easy boints out from nowhere to their team ? How's that make sense ?
Nobody is going to take action about that (http://www.hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=10419&postcount=12) ? :/
So lets say ... 2 people from a team , that already have boints posted to their accounts from non group benching with 8800GTX and 8800GTX SLI are allowed to create a phantom bot , get together and add another 300-350 easy boints out from nowhere to their team ? How's that make sense ?
Nobody is going to take action about that (http://www.hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=10419&postcount=12) ? :/
We're working on it ... we can't just ban their account, because that would be even more unethical.
We're working on it ... we can't just ban their account, because that would be even more unethical.
If by banning the account you mean the the overall account then yes that would be wrong. But removing the sub-team scores should not be an issue.
I have looked through the top 20 teams. It was a quick glance so if this is not accurate I apologize. No other team appears to have submitted scores by a phantom member made up of existing members with posted scores. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is even if there is no rule explicitly forbidding this type of entry 19 out of 20 teams know that ethically and morally this would be against the spirit of what HWbot is about.
If I were to create a sub-team and submit a score and it was later discovered that I was the only person of that so-called team you would have no issue with deleting my score as a minimum response. This situation is no different other then the fact that the entry consists of two members with countable scores instead of just one.
Everyone that is a member of HWbot knows that only one score is countable for any one type of given hardware. To allow this type of score to remain is not only a slap in the face of all other teams but also to HWbot itself. I, no we ask that you do the right thing in this matter so that this type of thing cannot happen in the future. Several of the top 20 teams have already voiced their disapproval of allowing this type of behavior. The only right thing to do in this matter is to delete the scores of the sub-teams and state that this is not allowed. Or freeze the sub-team's points at it's current value and give all other teams the same amount of points.
harleybro
08-08-2007, 14:17
In other words any team score would only be made up of a pre determined number of team member submissions, be it the complete team collective benching as one group, groups of the team pooling equipment and benching together or individuals benching alone.
So once again the team can earn points that it has already earned as individuals? If there is a team then I believe no members of the team should be able to submit results for the hardware used on an individual basis. Each run done by the team could easily be submitted under a single users ID and have the team members listed in the description. Ex. If three ppl bench together why not list all 01 scores under one user, all 03 scores under another user, and finally all 05 scores under the last user. If it is such a team effort this shouldn't be too difficult to work out amongst themselves.
We're working on it ... we can't just ban their account, because that would be even more unethical.
Maybe unethical but the scores could easily be blocked. This sub-team in question was logged into the forums yesterday afternoon but had nothing to add to the thread.? What is so unethical about blocking scores that are causing so much contraversy until a solution is determined?
I have looked through the top 20 teams. It was a quick glance so if this is not accurate I apologize. No other team appears to have submitted scores by a phantom member made up of existing members with posted scores. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is even if there is no rule explicitly forbidding this type of entry 19 out of 20 teams know that ethically and morally this would be against the spirit of what HWbot is about.
I agree about the teams but there is one team that made a jump recently and it appears as though results may be being submitted by more then one user. Four out of the top 5 members all have similiar results and similiar HW runs all using LN2. Some runs submitted within a day or two of each other. Mind you this team is comprised of two seperate forums that recently combined.
Everyone that is a member of HWbot knows that only one score is countable for any one type of given hardware. To allow this type of score to remain is not only a slap in the face of all other teams but also to HWbot itself. I, no we ask that you do the right thing in this matter so that this type of thing cannot happen in the future. Several of the top 20 teams have already voiced their disapproval of allowing this type of behavior. The only right thing to do in this matter is to delete the scores of the sub-teams and state that this is not allowed. Or freeze the sub-team's points at it's current value and give all other teams the same amount of points.
Praz this couldn't have been said any better!
richba5tard
08-08-2007, 14:24
Good points, point taken.
Massman is preparing an official statement about subteams, we're tightening the rules.
Maybe unethical but the scores could easily be blocked. This sub-team in question was logged into the forums yesterday afternoon but had nothing to add to the thread.? What is so unethical about blocking scores that are causing so much contraversy until a solution is determined?
I don't like to block scores too fast. To rush things is never good.
I had a conversation about the subteam with Sergey13 and he convinced me this was only to SHOW how easy it was to gain points using such subteams.
He asked us to move the scores to Mayk's account.
harleybro
08-08-2007, 15:16
I don't like to block scores too fast. To rush things is never good.
I had a conversation about the subteam with Sergey13 and he convinced me this was only to SHOW how easy it was to gain points using such subteams.
He asked us to move the scores to Mayk's account.
I had a score blocked by you I believe on my account. It was my T5500 32m run which was done a few months ago and just blocked last week. I recieved the email and when I went to check it it was blocked already. The reason being I didn't have a cpu-z. Funny it would come to question since I do have #1 with that cpu in sisoft, wprime 1024, wprime 32, and #2 PiFast. Granted my 1M was slower but I guess it was hard to believe I could have scored in the top 3 don't remmber what place in 32m. As for too fast I guess the following day after an email is sent is the normal time for a result to be removed totally from an account.
I had just checked Mayk's account and there was dual scores for 8800GTX SLI in 03 and 06.
If it was to show how easy it was to gain points wouldn't someone let a mod or admin know about it here first?
this was only to SHOW how easy it was to gain points using such subteams.
Yeah right ... lol
Sound like a BS story to keep their hands clean to me .
Does anyone actualy believe in that ? :)
but anyways , good to know hwbot is coming up with updated rules and a statement about subteam runs and hopefully things like won't happen in future :)
Yeah right ... lol
Sound like a BS story to keep their hands clean to me .
Does anyone actualy believe in that ? :)
but anyways , good to know hwbot is coming up with updated rules and a statement about subteam runs and hopefully things like won't happen in future :)
I don't even care if it's to keep their hands clean or not. Sergey13 was most gentle and kind.
Why the points were posted really isn't important now. What matters is the issue was rectified as well as could be after the fact. Up until now the posts by the HWbot crew indicated that this was within the rules. It should be obvious to all of us that things were going on behind the scenes to bring this into the confines of what the majority feel the rules dictate. Seems like it's time we all go back to benching. After all, that's what we come here for.
I don't even care if it's to keep their hands clean or not. Sergey13 was most gentle and kind.
I hope you never get quoted on this out of context. :D:D
am I allowed to use that wonderful quote as my sig?
And there goes my reputation :D
I must say that I'm very glad with the end of the story about Moscow Subteam and Russian overs.
IMHO new Subteam Rules (http://hwbot.org/hwbot.post.do?postId=689) are not perfect, but they're better and more clear than several months ago.
Nevertheless, some hwbot.org participants continue to ignore them and to gain/cheat hwboints with restricted methods.
I've noticed such a bug in one of the TOP-10 Teams a few weeks ago, but it was not fixed till now.
I suppose that our turkish friends don't know English at all, don't know what is the Fair Play, or perfectly understand what they are doing, but they just want to cheat more hwboints, hwboints, hwboints...
So, the problem and the facts...
The Team - Hardware-Arena Turkiye (http://hwbot.org/teamInfo.do?teamId=1546).
Suspicious Members - !!!! Brandybuck (http://hwbot.org/user.do?userId=7634), the Team Leader!; Hwa Fena Core (http://hwbot.org/user.do?userId=10060); HardwArena Turkiye (http://hwbot.org/user.do?userId=7625).
I've looked through some results a few weeks ago, and I noticed the suspicious Hardware-Arena Turkiye's members - Hwa Fena Core and HardwArena Turkiye. That days I supposed that the first and the second are something like turkish subteams, but the details are quite surprising.
These two "bots" have only several good results, and randomly use the screenshots and verification links to Futuremark's website.
The most interesting thing is that all the three mentioned participants use THE SAME ORB Account for verification. Just for example:
Brandybuck - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5476236 (User - 3164766) - 3Dmark 2003 - 60238 marks on GF 8800 Ultra;
Hwa Fena Core - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9192949 (User - 3164766) - 3Dmark 2003 - 45537 marks on GF 8800 GTX;
HardwArena Turkiye - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5460218 (User - 3164766) - 3Dmark 2001 - 74987 marks on GF 8800 GTS.
It is a nice way to multiple the TOP-500 hwboints, isn't it? I suppose that Brandybuck created the two mentioned bots by himself, but I am not sure for 100%.
And here is one more interesting detail with the results - Brandybuck and HardwArena Turkiye have got the results on the same hardware - Radeon 9550, registered on the other ORB profile, but made by that cheating turkish guy, too: Brandybuck - 3Dmark 2001 - 16738 marks (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8367144); HardwArena Turkiye - 3Dmark 2001 - 17278 marks (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8248075).
Is it a cheating? I hope that everybody here understands: YES!
Should something be done to fix that problem? The answer is YES!
It's up to YOU, the hwbot.org Crew Members, to decide what exactly should be done. I hope You'll find the right way.
P.S. I remember the story with Onepagebook here, on hwbot.org. His results were treated hard but equitable, despite he is a true overclocking Legend famous all over the overclocking world.
And who is Brandubuck? As for me - just a cheating guy. Hope that he'll get a fair punishment.
Probably the Turks will try to be smart (as IMHO some other guys did here) and say that somebody from other team created the two bots to discredit their team leader.. Don't they know each other? Aren't they able to moderate their own results?...
P.P.S. I think that subteams should be prohibited on hwbot at all - it will be a little bit easier to moderate the results for You, the hwbot.org Crew, and to help You for us, benchmarkers who support Fair Play principles ;)
Thanks cyclone, we are looking into this.
Yeap, we're aware of the situation. Thanks for the heads up, Cyclone :)
My team very very Fast old scools!!
stummerwinter
06-30-2008, 07:02
Question to the hwbot-Team:
Is this in accordance with the Team-run-rules (http://hwbot.org/hwbot.post.do?postId=689):
BenchBros (http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=16645) are Kabauterman (David), TschernoBill (Manuel), loopy83 (Andi)
Source (http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?p=9386697#post9386697)
And have their own account:
loopy83 (http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=8337)
Kabeuterman (http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=5512)
Tschernobill (http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=14789)
BenchBros
06-30-2008, 13:41
Question to the hwbot-Team:
Is this in accordance with the Team-run-rules (http://hwbot.org/hwbot.post.do?postId=689):
BenchBros (http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=16645) are Kabauterman (David), TschernoBill (Manuel), loopy83 (Andi)
Source (http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?p=9386697#post9386697)
And have their own account:
loopy83 (http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=8337)
Kabeuterman (http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=5512)
Tschernobill (http://www.hwbot.org/user.do?userId=14789)
I have transfered all my global ranked scores to the BenchBros account,
loopy does the same, and TschernoBill has no great scores...
whats the problem?
teurorist
06-30-2008, 13:53
no problem any more but it was one ;)
but i have a idea why we don't make a registration with personal informations like name photo (only the Mods can see ) and may be a scan ore picture of the identity card something like a real liga
stummerwinter
07-01-2008, 06:53
I'm just asking (and some more people), because it seems rules are not quite clear...
I have transfered all my global ranked scores to the BenchBros account,
loopy does the same, and TschernoBill has no great scores...
And, here three examples, where global points are not removed:
BenchBros
07-01-2008, 14:04
Manuel (TschernoBill) is only a good friend, he don't realy belongs to BenchBros.
We only test his Grafixcards once time...
0.4 Points are realy much, sorry I remove this score...
westsider
02-26-2009, 12:14
i think its nonsence
if somebody has 295GTX and he ist the only one who has it
he benches it
and gives the card to his teammates who bench it with own hardware
what if some team doesnt have so much money or sponsor?
it is not important which 295 would it be
if a new one or the same one
i think if benchers are different there is no porblem with card
of course if i volt mode some VGA bench it and share with team mates thats not OK
but for default hardware ,i think there schould be no problem about that
for example i am in germany
and my teammates are in georgia
i can buy here any hardware ,bench it and give back without explainig of any reasons in 14 days
they cant do it :)
i am sorry but i dont have pc shop like some concurents here
and i have no god damned sponsor :D
i get better hardware here and they are just struggling
if i were there and i were the only one with money
i wouldnt voltmod VGA
i would bench it with my brain and skills
and give them
if they can reach better results thats not a crime
because even if they buy a new VGA ,results will be the same
do you understand me?
it has with skills to do
it doesnt have something with too much money to do
OC skills,tweak techik,cooling skills
benching skills
you must know your hardware as your 10 fingers to take the max out of it
what do u think guys?
otherwise its impossible to control something like this
nobody can ever prove it with 100%
knopflerbruce
02-26-2009, 14:01
it is not important which 295 would it be
if a new one or the same one
It IS important which card it is, what if it's a good one? It's far from fair that a whole team will benefit of one single user's purchased card.
i can buy here any hardware ,bench it and give back without explainig of any reasons in 14 days
they cant do it
If HW is cheaper/more accessible in Germany theycan send you cash so you can buy GPUs for them if they can't get it in Georgia.
because even if they buy a new VGA ,results will be the same
The results are NOT the same with every VGA, some clock better than others. In the end, the results won't be the same either.
Westsider,
If I have an 8.2GHz cpu and take the world record here, would you like me to send it to my 154 team mates and let them all have a go on LN2?
westsider
02-27-2009, 04:32
nope fore sure
but if you have gotta for example 260 GTX which does just normal clocks and u arent using some special cooling in such case would be Ok if you give your card away
i mean ,we should divide the golden hardware and normal hardware
i think its not about whos gotta more money here,is it?
i think its about ,whos gotta skills and techniks
knopflerbruce
02-27-2009, 13:23
I don't quite get why everyone has to compete with the most expensive hardware, you can still have loads of fun with cheap gear:rolleyes: HWBoints exist for a reason lol.
Sure it should be about skill, but there's no skill in getting the good hw if someone more or less throw it into your hands;) And what if you're in a team that doesn't like sharing their i7 965's to a dozen people they barely know? Then that's unfair, as the scores are then dependant on your team's willingness to share their parts - which is even worse than having a system where "skill" is a little bit money dependant. (I say a little bit, as you dont need more than an e8600 + p45 to compete in both superpi and pifast, or a cedar mill to compete in the cpuz ranking).
...and if you use your money wisely you WILL get the money to afford an expensive card from time to time. If not, then you must make VERY little money.
If not, then you must make VERY little money.
Careful with such remarks, there are places in the world where a GTX295 costs twice as much compared to the medium salary...
knopflerbruce
02-28-2009, 14:41
Careful with such remarks, there are places in the world where a GTX295 costs twice as much compared to the medium salary...
Then that IS very little money. Not saying it is because you're stupid or lazy that these people's incomes are low... However, is it THAT bad in Georgia?
Careful with such remarks, there are places in the world where a GTX295 costs twice as much compared to the medium salary...
Then that IS very little money. Not saying it is because you're stupid or lazy that these people's incomes are low... However, is it THAT bad in Georgia?
I think he's from Romania! ;-)
knopflerbruce
03-03-2009, 22:55
I think he's from Romania! ;-)
Says Georgia when he posts...
Georgia? C'mon, where does it says that? Romania here bro :)
The medium official salary here is ~310 Euros / month
The minimum official salary here is ~130 Euros / month
Now, I don't want to eat s**t, I was making 700 Euros / month when I got into advertising, and ~ 1500 Euros / month just before I got out of that bussines, so I am not complaining about myself. But the point is that a salary of 1000 Euros / month here means you have a very good job. There are a whole bunch of guys working for way less salary than that. That is not a tragic thing, there are a bunch of things here that cost less then in more western countries. BUT....hardware is more expensive, so comparing that to a normal salary...yeah...it can be a pain in the butt.
Also, think about the fact that there are OTHER places in the world where the situation is much worse than here.
Why should that matter to HWBot? Well, it probablly shouldn't. But be aware that money play a BIG part in this game, not just a little one.
I totally agree. Just that for some people is just very money consuming and for others almost impposible. And I don't know why we are still talking about this, I just said that remarks like "you must be making VERY little money if you can't afford X hardware" are not ok, taking into consideration that this is a multi national site (I know he didn't mean anything wrong, but he just forgot that there are les fortunate places in the world). I take it the official HWBot opinion is that such remarks are ok?
Because we are continuing this conversation without any other point :)
knopflerbruce
03-05-2009, 23:13
I totally agree. Just that for some people is just very money consuming and for others almost impposible. And I don't know why we are still talking about this, I just said that remarks like "you must be making VERY little money if you can't afford X hardware" are not ok, taking into consideration that this is a multi national site (I know he didn't mean anything wrong, but he just forgot that there are les fortunate places in the world). I take it the official HWBot opinion is that such remarks are ok?
Sure, I live in a wealthy country. But that doesn't mean I'm rich, students over here get VERY little. After food, rent, subway ticket, phone bill I have like €50 left. That's not much at all for HW. However, I can still afford alot as I cut down as much as I can on my food expenses and phone calls;) Not saying it's a smart choice, but it's an option for the less fortunate of us. But of course, if you must go out and drink beer every weekend, then you need a decent job to be able to bench good HW if you have a low-paid job in a "poor" country.
and we agree on the fact that cost is impossible to take into account for ranking, but does play a role
I totally agree, taking that into consideration into rankings is quite impossible.
knopflerbruce It is hard everywhere bro, top notch tools mean top notch money everywhere, I am aware of that. In the end, that is also what passion and crazyness are there for, just like in any other hobby :)
Antinomy
03-18-2009, 01:38
I've got a question about group benching, but not with team mates. The question on sharing hardware within a team is clear and I agree with the rules. My nearest team mate though is about 7000-7500km from me, others even more.
But last weekend I was having a bench session with another team from my city, with the people I know. Maybe it's the last, maybe it's not, but is hardware sharing between me and another team allowed? We just took the HW out of the bags on the table and oc'ed everything what eyes saw first. I surely understand that they can't share results of one HW within their team and there were a few CPU's of one model, what will be seen by their stepping, when they are out.
But the different team benching is a question, I wanted to figure out. Nobody is pushing his team higher, cause we are in different ones.
Antinomy, HI!
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