trodas Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Makes me wonder, witch (exactly - eg. product number) type of G.Skill Trident rams this overclocker used in bench to get 6-7-6-18 1T timings at 877MHz: http://hwbot.org/submission/949968_thebanik_wprime___1024m_core_i7_950_2min_29sec_421ms Because I would like to buy them too. Any special settings (drive?) or voltage settings applied? Dunno. But beside they are likely to be 2G per module ones (the mobo don't have problem of running 12G of ram - 3x4G, so it is not like it see just half of them or something...), I have no idea witch ones to pick. Could somebody give me a hand...? (official timings for the 4G Trident DDR3-2400 modules are 10-12-12-31 at 1.65V, witch is pretty far from 6-7-6-18) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaPaKaH Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 There are many G.Skill kits that can do 877 6-7-6. Pretty much anything that is based on Elpida Hypers and BBSE can reach these numbers. Some PSC and BDBG might be capable too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trodas Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 There are many G.Skill kits that can do 877 6-7-6. Good to know. Witch ones have the Elpida Hypers / BBSE rams...? But about the "kit" - I need 3 rams, so I bet that I just need to buy there same sticks. Right? Some PSC and BDBG might be capable too. When you say "some", then I hear NO But yep, with massive downclock from 1200MHz to 877MHz is usually possible to reach better timings, but I rather stay with the rams that are in the "pretty much any of these" category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phobosq Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I have a random kit of Perfect Storm 2000C9, this is BBSE (I checked) and it does 850 6-6-6 or 950 6-7-6 with something around 1.7V on X58. For identifying sticks by S/N check this thread - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?283666-Figuring-out-G-Skill-s-SNs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trodas Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Sounds pretty good, have you get some scores with it? Could be ineresting to see. 6-6-6 seems to be pretty good, tripple channel and 1.65 or 1.70V...? Congratulations then. Or you want to sell it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.nfraR.ed Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 These are probably Trident 2000C9 BBSE. Some of them are PSC, others - BBSE. You can tell by S/N as odbytorq suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbassplayerxx Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 You can tell by the stock voltage on the 2000 9-9-9 Tridents as well. 1.65 V is BBSE and 1.60 V is PSC. 1600 6-6-6 is also possible on LV Micron chips with about 1.8 to 1.85V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Don_Dan Posted July 20, 2015 Crew Share Posted July 20, 2015 You can tell by the stock voltage on the 2000 9-9-9 Tridents as well. 1.65 V is BBSE and 1.60 V is PSC. There are also DDR3-2000 CL9 Ripjaws/Trident kits with Elpida BBSE and 1.6V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbassplayerxx Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 There are also DDR3-2000 CL9 Ripjaws/Trident kits with Elpida BBSE and 1.6V. Scratch that, then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.nfraR.ed Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I think there might be some BDBG too, but I haven't had too much from them to tell. But rated voltage is not reliable sign. Sometimes SPD voltage is also different, i.e. 1.65, while it says 1.6 on the sticker. And I'm not a RAM expert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trodas Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share Posted July 20, 2015 Don_Dan - There are also DDR3-2000 CL9 Ripjaws/Trident kits with Elpida BBSE and 1.6V. But don't they are more modern chip, eg. no way to get there dimms kit, only to buy 3 of them and pray for the working triplechannel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaPaKaH Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 You can tell by the stock voltage on the 2000 9-9-9 Tridents as well. 1.65 V is BBSE and 1.60 V is PSC.This is partially true. 1.65V on 2000C9 Tridents implies BBSE (or 2Gbit BCSE if you're unlucky) but 1.60V can be anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted July 20, 2015 Administrators Share Posted July 20, 2015 @Trodas Trident 2gb are eol long time now, you can look at ebay or second hand market, 2000c9 or 1600 6-7-6 triple kits, the first ones you can identify on serialnumber linked earlier here at thread and 1600 6-7-6 are always bbse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbassplayerxx Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 @Trodas Trident 2gb are eol long time now, you can look at ebay or second hand market, 2000c9 or 1600 6-7-6 triple kits, the first ones you can identify on serialnumber linked earlier here at thread and 1600 6-7-6 are always bbse Wouldn't surprise me if failed hyper made that bin every once in a while too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trodas Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 So the G.Skill Perfect Storm with Elpida Hyper rams should do the 6-6-6 or 6-7-6 trick? There are seems to be two "tiers" of them, one are red DDR3 2000 (PC3-16000): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231258 And another are black DDR3 2133 (PC3-17066) ones: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231269 To me it looks like that the DDR3 2133 should have way better chances to guarantee (well, pretty much) the good 6-6-6-18 1T timings at 850-900MHz clocks, witch is the only one thing that did not make 6 cores, 12 threads Xeons memory starved I think. So, odbytorq, what kit you have and where can we see 6-6-6 timings in, say, SuperPi 32M or wPrime 1024M bench? (just testing... but I would like to see this pretty much ) Show us some scores, pretty please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbassplayerxx Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) The 2133 9-9-9 was BBSE according to RAM List. PC3-16000 Perfect Storm F3-16000CL7T-3GBPS (3x1GB) F3-16000CL7T-6GBPS (3x2GB) 2000 7-8-7-20 @ 1.65V Elpida MNH-E Hyper PC3-16000 Perfect Storm F3-16000CL8T-6GBPS (3x2GB) 2000 8-8-8-21 @ 1.65V Elpida BBSE-DJ-F Elpida MNH-E Hyper PC3-17066 Perfect Storm F3-17066CL9T-6GBPS (3x2GB) 2133 9-9-9-24 @ 1.65V Elpida BBSE-DJ-F PC3-17600 Perfect Storm F3-17600CL8D-4GBPS (2x2GB) 2200 8-8-8-24 @ 1.65V Elpida MNH-E Hyper I'm sure there's a chance that it could be Hypers too but who knows... Edited July 23, 2015 by xxbassplayerxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted July 23, 2015 Administrators Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) In fact the 2000c8 and the 2133 c9 looked the same, no red or black version My 2000c8, the 2133c8 and 2200c8 had Hyper, two of my 2133c9 kits had bbse most likely and on third one I found BBBG. If you want mems that can do 1600 (800) 6-6-6, you will have to opt for Hypers, BBSE usually fail this due to lower trcd limit (will do 6-7-6)while lots of hypers do 1800 6-6-6 if they are decent. Chips can vary at GSkill, I also had Trident 2000c9 kit (late sample from blowout sale of rma stock by gskill most likely) that had below average Hypers, there were also few single sided samples with bcse, but normally these had PSC or BBSE, it is most safe to assume this if you make blind purchase without having chance to check sn Edited July 23, 2015 by websmile more info :p 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trodas Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 xxbassplayerxx - Oh, thanks. That means, that to get the Elpida Hyper chips, one have to opt only for PC3-16000 Perfect Storm or the PC3-17600 Perfect Storm. Others might not have these Hyper chips, that are capable of tight timings. Hmmm. I did not like to take chances, so either G.Skill Perfect Storm PC3-16000 or PC3-17600. While the later should be better, because they are rated higher... or I'm wrong there? Are there other products with Elpida Hyper chips, that give same performance and supertight 6-6-6 timings at around 800-850MHz? I mean like the Corsir Dominator GT sticks? http://www.vrworld.com/2009/07/22/corsair-re-launches-elpida-hyper-based-dominator-gt/ 6GB i7 kit ; part number CMG6GX3M3A2000C7 ; three 2GB DDR3 modules, rated at 2000MHz 7-7-7-20 4GB AMD kit ; part number CMG4GX3M2A1600C6 ; two 2GB DDR3 modules, rated 1600MHz 6-6-6-18 6GB i7 kit ; part number CMG6GX3M3A2000C8 ; three 2GB DDR3 modules, rated 2000MHz 8-8-8-24 6GB i7 kit ; part number CMG6GX3M3A1866C7 ; three 2GB DDR3 modules, rated 1866MHz 7-7-7-20 2000MHz at 7-7-7-20 sounds to me even better that 2000MHz with 7-8-7-20 timings G.Skill Perfect Storm rams boast... websmile - In fact the 2000c8 and the 2133 c9 looked the same, no red or black version Hmmm, you can prove your case with nice images that do really show zero difference. I take it that I had been decieved with NewEgg then. They show the DDR3 2000 rams with mostly red stickers, but the DDR3 2133 with mostly black ones: However when I look closer now I see, that they showed me also different sides! Now that suxx bad... lol. My mistake It would be cool to hit a decent kit with Hypers, that can do 1800 at 6-6-6 timings, but I probably won't get so lucky. Unless someone retire these sticks and sell me these for my MSI X58 Pro-E mobo and hungry Xeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basco Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 ocz blade 16000cl7-8-7-20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCX.Chile Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Looks like Elpida Hyper MGH-E or Elpida BBSE For example my 3-channel kit (Mushkin Redline 2000 8-7-7, MGH-E http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226058) http://img.hwbot.org/u40447/image_id_1196163.jpeg In the image i use 1.67 vRam; I hope to be helpful (sorry for my bad english) Greetings from chile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trodas Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 Only Elpida MGH-E Hypers can do on AMD 6-6-5-15-26 1T @877MHz Congratulations. Your english is good, hoooray to Chile for Hypers! I need 1.72V to get Corsair Dominator GT over 833MHz with Hypers at 6-6-6 stable, but this is triple channel and Intel X58, so... different beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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