BenchBros Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 http://www.hwbot.org/teamInfo.do?teamId=1618 In Rankings this team got 2400 Ponits but if I add all Member Points I get only 548 Points! Can someone help me? thanks Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Individual points = all global points + up to 300 hardware points Team points = all global points of all members + all hardware points of all members Bwanasoft has an incredible amount of hardware points, but only 300 are addressed to his personal total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealth Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Individual points = all global points + up to 300 hardware points Bwanasoft has an incredible amount of hardware points, but only 300 are addressed to his personal total. I don't understant this can you be more specific? I have 287 points,if i go over 300 how the points will be calculate? Why only 300 hardware points are addressed to Bwanasoft's personal total if he has more? stealth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurek Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 i also dont understand pls expalin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Why only 300 hardware points are addressed to Bwanasoft's personal total if he has more? In the past, we noticed that the 'grinders' outscored the top benchers in the league, so we had to balance both hardware and global. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealth Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 So this mean that is not worth to run old hardware when get over 300 points cause you don't get any global points with it,correct? stealth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 No, those extra points still help your team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealth Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) This is like punishing people that they don't have money to spend for high end systems. To get global points you need very good system and very good cooling,also you need to chase technology and these cost a lot of money. So good overclockers/benchers if they don't have the money never will be able to get high in the ranking,it doesn't sounds fair to me. Is this an advantage (promotion) for rich people? stealth Edited July 20, 2008 by stealth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaPaKaH Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 who, do you think, is a better overclocker? - guy who runs highend hardware close to its limits scoring global WRs (quality) - guy who runs thousands of CPUs near stock frequency (quantity) since those two are completely different categories - there are two separate ranking at hwbot for either kinds of benchers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurek Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 who, do you think, is a better overclocker? - guy who runs highend hardware close to its limits scoring global WRs (quality) - guy who runs thousands of CPUs near stock frequency (quantity) since those two are completely different categories - there are two separate ranking at hwbot for either kinds of benchers WR is a question of "good" bencher one session which will give him tens of points, and scoring even on stock frequencies rare cpus, gpus for those tens points given for WR i dunno where is more work and time needed lol i would argue also money spent can be different coz usually the new cpus are given by intel or amd but all in all i never expected that pointing system would be fair and also point that exist in one category (team) and not exsist in other (personal) sounds ridiculous imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurek Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 we're not having this conversation again. HWboints rev2 introduced the Hardware Point cap to stop grinders without limiting overclockers in their search for more points. over time we might increase the Hardware Point cap, but it will always remain in place to prevent Quantity to be the factor instead of Quality more reading: http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=523&highlight=grinders http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1133&highlight=grinders are grinders threat for kingpin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealth Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) who, do you think, is a better overclocker? - guy who runs highend hardware close to its limits scoring global WRs (quality) - guy who runs thousands of CPUs near stock frequency (quantity) Let's put it this way. Do you think that running on LN2 a hand picked CPU a cherry picked Vmoded mobo and hand picked Vmoded graphics without have to worry if you burn the CPU and the VGAs makes you a better overclocker/bencher? My friend both run our systems on the edge...with a different way. @jmke, Sorry mate i didn't mean to...just had some questions,i didn't even know that this conversation happened before. I don't ask for anything:) stealth Edited July 20, 2008 by stealth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 As long as a LOT of the HW listed doesn't even have all "point slots" filled, the limit has to be there, or it would be VERY easy to get a top 5 global score. Just bench a whole lot of old-school HW @ stock - till you've reached your goal. However, the limit is awfully low, it needs to be raised a bit... You're no threat to anything when you're at 160th place (300 points). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealth Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) Just bench a whole lot of old-school HW @ stock - till you've reached your goal. I haven't bench an old-school HW,i bought every single CPU from the 25+ i have,every mobo and every graphics card and i don't run them at stock as you can see in my profile. I have all of them and i can bench them again any time i want (except two CPUs i fried). Nobady gave anything to me and nobady did a favor to me. As i said i don't ask for anything,i will reach 300 points and then i am not going to bench again old HW. When i be able to buy competitive hardware i will bench again. stealth Edited July 20, 2008 by stealth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 As i said i don't ask for anything,i will reach 300 points and then i am not going to bench again old HW. Great team spirit !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealth Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Great team spirit !! This has nothing to do with team spirit. To keep benching old HW i have to buy it,instead i can save the money and when i be able i will buy something that can be competitive. What strange did you see on this? stealth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurek Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 This has nothing to do with team spirit. To keep benching old HW i have to buy it,instead i can save the money and when i be able i will buy something that can be competitive. What strange did you see on this? stealth to be competitive u also have to have LN2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealth Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) to be competitive u also have to have LN2 No,a good phase is enough:D stealth Edited July 20, 2008 by stealth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 This has nothing to do with team spirit. To keep benching old HW i have to buy it,instead i can save the money and when i be able i will buy something that can be competitive. What strange did you see on this? stealth You say you'll stop benching when you reach 300 HW points, while when you keep benching, you still help the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurek Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 to be competitive u need to have sponsors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurek Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 You say you'll stop benching when you reach 300 HW points, while when you keep benching, you still help the team. kingpin helps the team withou loosing personal points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I don't understand you last two comments, Jurek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurek Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I don't understand you last two comments, Jurek first was to stealth second was to You meaning that kingpin gains points for himself and for team making global boints and guy who reaches 300 boints on hardware has no chance of gaining more persolnal boints and all he can do is to help team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurek Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 12600? whats your point here? if most are not active Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurek Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 on which formula u base it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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