View Full Version : The REV4 public test server! (feedback welcome)
A bit later than planned, but here it is: http://uat.hwbot.org/
Some important notes.
First, as you can see at the bottom of the site, we are still running a beta version of the R4 code (HWBOT v4.0.0-SNAPSHOT build 3115). In practical terms, it means that this public test server is to show you the concept of revision 4 (layout, etc) and the final hwboint algoritms. Some pages are still in development and some are finished but not added to this build.
Secondly, the rankings. The algoritms you see on the test server are final. The rankings are not entirely up-to-date since we're not running a live version of the database, but a full backup of a couple of days ago. This means that submitting a result will have no effect.
Important! Do not submit any benchmark results on our test server. These will not be added to the result database and will be lost once we install a new build on the server.
The rankings:
- Pro OC = ∑ [top-15 (global + wr)]
- OC = ∑ [top-15 (global +wr) + top-20 (hardware)]
- Enthusiast = ∑ [top-15 (global) + top-20 (hardware)] (only results on stock, air or water and with picture of system)
- Teams league = ∑ {powerteam (global + hardware) + [user points (global + hardware) / 10}
As for: the Overclockers League: the new algoritm has no hw cap. Instead of using a hardware cap, we've limited the hardware points contribution to your personal total to SUM(top-20 hw results). So, the maximum hw points you can reach is 20x50=1000p. But, to reach that, you'll have to be 1st in 20 highly competitive rankings!
To check the powerteam ranking, just click on 'best of team' in each ranking. The results will then be filtered on unique team (instead of user).
http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//pt.png
The point distribution of the powerteam rankings is not yet clearly visible in this version of the test server. The algoritm used to calculate the team powerpoints is the same like we use to calculate user points, but with different constants and offset points.
As said, the weight between powerteam and user points is 10/1, but in absolute figures they are pretty much balanced at the moment. Some teams have big user contribution, but lower powerteam and other teams the other way around. Grinding will still help, but for each individual 10x slower than it does now. Fyi, what K404 did a few days ago (massive amount of top-5 results) is pretty much golden for revision 4 as those rankings are highly competitive powerteam rankings.
As for the different user rankings: if you want to see the effect of switching from one league to another, you can choose the ranking you want to participate in from your user profile settings: http://uat.hwbot.org/profile/.
As for those who wonder about the Pro OC League, here's a short explanation I gave to *censored* a few days ago. It pretty much sums up what it's all about.
The easiest question to answer: "Would my benching on the bot help my team at all?". Yes. Always. Even if you're ranked, as an individual, in the Pro OC league your points will still contribute to the team total. The split in R4.0 is the basic outlining of how we vision pro and amateur overclocking to evolve into. For further revisions we have some ideas to differentiate in a more, ehm, elegant manner, but whether or not we can actually implement those ideas directly or if they need more finetuning is something we have to decide based on the feedback we get.
One 'problem' now is that Pro OC scores technically still affect amateur rankings. An elegant solution is to completely separate those either basing the Pro ranking on the same weight variables as the amateur rankings or on a fixed distribution (like 3DWR points now). And of course how that would affect the team contribution etc.
The second question is perhaps more important, but harder to clearly define. Currently, there is no clear outlining on who's considered pro and who isn't. Or even who should go into that separate league and who shouldn't. Currently, I'm moving those people who work almost exclusively with sponsored hardware and only for pure marketing-related overclocking to that league as that's what it was designed for. This is for instance KP, Hicookie or Elmor. I think for the first couple of weeks we'll see who wants to join and how the flow works exactly (many or little overclockers making the jump, etc ...). Except for the group mentioned earlier, we don't intend to force people in either league.
When proposing this for the first time to vendors, we also got the question what to do with review samples. That is quite simple: we have no interest in either tracking all review samples or vetoing against sending a specific person specific hardware. What we asked vendors is to honor the Pro OC league by focussing the marketing-overclocking events (eg: sending super-binned hardware) as much as possible in that league and leave the hobbyist rankings as they are. We also explicitly said that there's no problem with sending anyone a mainboard or a vga card. In your particular situation, this all boils down to: we do not have the slightest problem with you getting any samples or you choosing for the normal oc'er ranking. If you feel Pro and want to join, okay. If you feel Pro is a bit out of your reach at the moment, feel free to compete at the top of the non-pro ranking.
From the sneak peeks of the rankings, I can say that getting into the top-20 of the Overclockers League is not 'much easier' with all the top dogs gone
As a last not, I'm currently fiddling with the points for the different applications. Rev4 allows us to give benchmarks either no points, hardware+global points or either hardware or global points. A few minutes ago, we gave 5 benchmarks 'hardware points' (eg: PCmark vantage and 3dm11 performance) and I also removed global points from CPU-Z validation (hw points only). The engine needs to do a recalculation first, so i don't think the effect is already noticeable.
Anyways, have fun and let us know your feedback! We'll keep you updated when installing new builds!
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 11:38
WTF, no global points for CPUZ ?
At first look it looks weird :D
But definitely there is a lot of good thought
Hardware Library FTW
Enthusiast League means no any results with subzero ? (if I delete my few results under LN2, I will be ranked 1rst :D)
Looks awesome Pieter - 502 error gateway :D :p
GeorgeStorm
05-09-2011, 12:00
No globals for cpu-z???
And it's not working for me, getting nothing, server getting hammered?
El Gappo
05-09-2011, 12:00
It doesn't work....
Stromatolites
05-09-2011, 12:01
Yea getting bad gateway errors :D
It was working a few minutes ago, I guess it's overstrained now.
mAlkAv!An
05-09-2011, 12:02
It was working some minutes ago :D
Are hardware points for the team ranking really limited to 300pts.?
You guys are slamming the server already! :p
Enthusiast League means no any results with subzero ? (if I delete my few results under LN2, I will be ranked 1rst :D)
Enthusiast league = air/water only + requirement that the submission needs a picture of the setup.
Deleting LN2 results will definitly raise your ranking in the enthusiast league.
No globals for cpu-z???
And it's not working for me, getting nothing, server getting hammered?
Just testing the effect.
Not giving global results to CPU-Z makes sense, though. Comparing frequency has only value if you compare it to similar hardware. 7000MHz with Gulftown is much more impressive than 7000MHz with Cedar Mill.
Are hardware points for the team ranking really limited to 300pts.?
No, that's a typo.
Team points = SUM(powerpoints) + [SUM(user points) / 10]
with user points = SUM(all user points) (global, hardware, wr)
El Gappo
05-09-2011, 12:12
Just testing the effect.
Not giving global results to CPU-Z makes sense, though. Comparing frequency has only value if you compare it to similar hardware. 7000MHz with Gulftown is much more impressive than 7000MHz with Cedar Mill.
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Why not have globals for different architectures or platforms then? Even do what you've done with 3d and have WR points for highest overall.
mAlkAv!An
05-09-2011, 12:13
No, that's a typo.
Team points = SUM(powerpoints) + [SUM(user points) / 10]
with user points = SUM(all user points) (global, hardware, wr)
Ok, I was just wondering because my team dropped from #19 - 14k points to #29 - 1k points :rolleyes:
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 12:16
Deleting LN2 results will definitly raise your ranking in the enthusiast league.
Ok then I will remove my only 2 results under LN2 as there is no more global points for CPUZ. And remember I am the Air Cooled guy :p
Not giving global results to CPU-Z makes sense, though. Comparing frequency has only value if you compare it to similar hardware. 7000MHz with Gulftown is much more impressive than 7000MHz with Cedar Mill.
Well we can say the same for any other benchmarks, 130K 3DM01 with GTX 275 is not as imprssive as 130K 3DM01 with Riva TNT2 M64
Ok, I was just wondering because my team dropped from #19 - 14k points to #29 - 1k points :rolleyes:
Yeah, I looked into your team as it surprised me too. I think the reason why you guys dropped so much is because you're mainly using the same hardware. Using identical hardware was very beneficial in R3, but not anymore in R4.
//edit: actually, what you can see is the hardware sharing prevention kicking in. The more a team drops, the more this team would be prone to sharing accusations because the members use a pretty similar set of hardware.
NoM$_YesLinux
05-09-2011, 12:36
For me it works for some minutes, now the bad gateway errors dominate. :P
My first impression for rev4.0 is good (apart the fact my points has decreased, but there is no problem with this as my team up some positions in ranking :D), hardware library is amazing and interface looks nice...btw need more time exploring this to draw more conclusions.
Predator
05-09-2011, 12:48
Team OCX 1st! :D
I'm liking this new revision so far haha
How did you lose points? :eek:
Ignoring any algorithm stuff and commenting on feedback.....
Individual user page:
Team doesn't need to be listed for every result... of course one user is in one team. I'm guessing its a table template, I know why it looks like that, but can the template be tweaked for the individual user page?
Points : WR, Global, HW... please can each be spaced out? At the mo, it's 10.5+10.8+10.2
If top 15 global scores affect user ranking, could be table be set to display the top 15 results instead of the top 10?
Worldwide ranking: xx of xxxxx.... this needs to have a mention of the league.
Yea, this is small, anal stuff..... but from a very quick 1st look, it's what i'm thinking.
Do I like R4? Tell you in 6 months if my rankings hold up :p
mAlkAv!An
05-09-2011, 12:56
Yeah, I looked into your team as it surprised me too. I think the reason why you guys dropped so much is because you're mainly using the same hardware. Using identical hardware was very beneficial in R3, but not anymore in R4.
//edit: actually, what you can see is the hardware sharing prevention kicking in. The more a team drops, the more this team would be prone to sharing accusations because the members use a pretty similar set of hardware.
Yes thats true but just counts for hardware points, I mean you can also share a GTX580 f.e. to get global points.
My team has just a few active members but most were simply buying the hardware with which you got many hw points with Rev.3 - so that's often identically.
Plus we don't have many global points, now we need to get some.
richba5tard
05-09-2011, 12:56
You guys are hammering our poor development machine. More traffic than the real server. ; ) I gave it a bit more memory to run with, but the machine has limited memory so we probably can't handle hundreds of concurrent users.
Yes thats true but just counts for hardware points, I mean you can also share a GTX580 f.e. to get global points.
My team has just a few active members but most were simply buying the hardware with which you got many hw points with Rev.3 - so that's often identically.
Plus we don't have many global points, now we need to get some.
Powerteam is both global and hardware.
Predator
05-09-2011, 13:08
How did you lose points? :eek:
do you refer to my own points Pieter??
do you refer to my own points Pieter??
No, to NoM$_YesLinux's comment. It's almost impossible to lose points :p
Hyperhorn
05-09-2011, 13:14
Bugs and other stuff worth mentioning I've seen for now:
- When country/region filter is applied the filter is only enabled as long as you don't click through the rankings. If you click "Show previos/next 20" the filter is disabled and you have to apply it again.
- When you change the league you wan't to compete it's not updated ranking-wise on your personal site (#xxx out of xxx)
- I've no idea where you can see the user ranking limited to your own team - is it e.g. for PCGH http://uat.hwbot.org/rankings/overclocker/team/pc_games_hardware, where I get HTTP Status 404?
- Page "About us/active volunteers" seems to be a bit outdated (e.g. der8auer is missing)
I.nfraR.ed
05-09-2011, 13:15
There's some problem displaying my personal page. It's been truncated before the second 'dot', however it's shown correctly in the addressbar. I guess some problem with query to database. Same reason implies for my hardware library.
Details:
No user found by name 'i.nfrar'!
richba5tard
05-09-2011, 13:17
There's some problem displaying my personal page. It's been truncated before the second 'dot', however it's shown correctly in the addressbar. I guess some problem with query to database.
Details:
No user found by name 'i.nfrar'!
Add '/' at the end of your url, it's a known bug i need to fix.
BenchBros
05-09-2011, 13:17
Looking good!!!!! :)
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 13:24
7.2 GHz results under LN2 removed :D
NoM$_YesLinux
05-09-2011, 13:24
How did you lose points? :eek:
http://uat.hwbot.org/user/nom_yeslinux
http://www.hwbot.org/community/user/nom_yeslinux?tab=profile
i don't know how i lose points, now looking my submissions and comparing points btw the 2 rev's to see what happened or maybe i'm missing something new? :P
http://uat.hwbot.org/user/nom_yeslinux
http://www.hwbot.org/community/user/nom_yeslinux?tab=profile
i don't know how i lose points, now looking my submissions and comparing points btw the 2 rev's to see what happened. :P
Oh, ok. I see what happened. It's because we removed the HW cap and installed 'top-20'-rule instead. The way hardware points are allocated to your team total:
- Rev3: MAX(hardware points, 300)
- Rev4: SUM(top-20 most rewarding hardware scores)
Example: if you have 1000 0.1p submissions, your hw point contribution would be:
- Rev3: MAX(1000x0.1, 300) => 100p
- Rev4: SUM(25x 0.1) => 2.5p
In other words: "push harder" !
NoM$_YesLinux
05-09-2011, 13:35
Oh, ok. I see what happened. It's because we removed the HW cap and installed 'top-20'-rule instead. The way hardware points are allocated to your team total:
- Rev3: MAX(hardware points, 300)
- Rev4: SUM(top-20 most rewarding hardware scores)
Example: if you have 1000 0.1p submissions, your hw point contribution would be:
- Rev3: MAX(1000x0.1, 300) => 100p
- Rev4: SUM(25x 0.1) => 2.5p
In other words: "push harder" !
Understood. :)
Thanks for explanation Massman.
Not sure if so much emphasis on hardware is good for the Enthusiast league... popular old stuff is more valuable than good current scores
Does the test server have options to search through each benchmark for global scores? I can't see it :(
For global leaderboards, is everyone in together, or is there a separate leaderboard for Pro, OC and Enthus?
The new hardware points rule is very nice, I like it ;)
I also like that CPUz submission don't get global points, nice job guys!
hokiealumnus
05-09-2011, 13:46
Anybody else getting a 500 error?
HTTP Status 500 -
type Exception report
message
description The server encountered an internal error () that prevented it from fulfilling this request.
exception
javax.servlet.ServletException: Filter execution threw an exception
org.springframework.web.filter.HiddenHttpMethodFil ter.doFilterInternal(HiddenHttpMethodFilter.java:7 7)
org.springframework.web.filter.OncePerRequestFilte r.doFilter(OncePerRequestFilter.java:76)
org.springframework.web.filter.CharacterEncodingFi lter.doFilterInternal(CharacterEncodingFilter.java :88)
org.springframework.web.filter.OncePerRequestFilte r.doFilter(OncePerRequestFilter.java:76)
root cause
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space
note The full stack trace of the root cause is available in the Apache Tomcat/6.0.16 logs.
Apache Tomcat/6.0.16
It would be nice to see CPU-Z back with global points :( It's also the one cheap global leaderboard. Is it because the best scores (Netburst) aren't relevant now compared to SB, GT?
hokiealumnus
05-09-2011, 13:51
Well, it's not a 500 error any more; now it's a 502
Bad Gateway
The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Apache/2.2.12 (Ubuntu) Server at hwbot.org Port 80
That's because the server is overloaded with users connecting. Fixes itself after some time.
hokiealumnus
05-09-2011, 14:01
Ahh, gotcha. I'll try later. Thanks!
Not sure if so much emphasis on hardware is good for the Enthusiast league... popular old stuff is more valuable than good current scores
Does the test server have options to search through each benchmark for global scores? I can't see it :(
For global leaderboards, is everyone in together, or is there a separate leaderboard for Pro, OC and Enthus?
The enthusiast league is mainly to engage new members to push their system harder.
Just click on a benchmark and go to the rankings tab: http://uat.hwbot.org/benchmark/wprime_1024m
Currently, everyone is still together. We have a few options to make the split-up even more effective, but we want to await complaints/feedback to see which would be the best solution.
502 Bad Gatewey error....full server I guess.
So, now my boints are like 50. What's the difference between Amateur league and Enthusiast league?
Trouffman
05-09-2011, 14:30
Will test tonight when the server will be back to normal :D
And it's time for a new tweet > http://twitter.com/Trouffman/status/67582699224838144
He he :D
Lippokratis
05-09-2011, 15:03
so far so good (more when the server is back online ;)), but
I also removed global points from CPU-Z validation
this is no good idea. the cpu-z global list is the only one where you can make good globals points without spending hundreds of dollar and using the newest hardware. it is nice to have such old hardware that gives you a benefit in one benchmark.
Not giving global results to CPU-Z makes sense, though. Comparing frequency has only value if you compare it to similar hardware. 7000MHz with Gulftown is much more impressive than 7000MHz with Cedar Mill.
if you use this as a reason, than no Benchmark can have global points, because as an exampe a GTX570 is an other architecture than a 8800gtx and to get 60k in 03 with a 8800gtx is much more impressive than with a gtx570.
so please keep global points for cpu-z and dont make it one CPU benchmark (global) less. there are to many GPU Benchmarks compared to the CPU Benchmarks
so please keep global points for cpu-z and dont make it one CPU benchmark (global) less. there are to many GPU Benchmarks compared to the CPU Benchmarks
Fyi, I actually calculated the amount of points you have if you're #1 everywhere
CPU -> 38109,4
GPU -> 27993,1
In other words: more rankings for GPU, but more points for CPU rankings :)
richba5tard
05-09-2011, 15:12
Increased memory size on test server again... back up.
hokiealumnus
05-09-2011, 15:19
Thank you, it's MUCH faster now. Even faster than the main Rev.3 page. (Static databases will do that.) :)
I'm upset with you Massman. Madshrimps passed us in the new revision. Our hard-earned place above XS was also lost. Consider your team targeted sir!
Thank you, it's MUCH faster now. Even faster than the main Rev.3 page. (Static databases will do that.) :)
I'm upset with you Massman. Madshrimps passed us in the new revision. Our hard-earned place above XS was also lost. Consider your team targeted sir!
:eek:
Shouldn't be that difficult, I think. I was actually surprised Madshrimps was ranked higher; my guess it's because we have Gamer covering a lot of different hardware rankings.
But ... game on! :D
Fyi, I actually calculated the amount of points you have if you're #1 everywhere
CPU -> 38109,4
GPU -> 27993,1
In other words: more rankings for GPU, but more points for CPU rankings :)
Why then don't include 3D Mark 11 for points instead to cut cpu points?
CPU-Z is great to bench, when you need to push it to the end, I would really like to see it as global points
Why then don't include 3D Mark 11 for points instead to cut cpu points?
CPU-Z is great to bench, when you need to push it to the end, I would really like to see it as global points
Because we're not trying to reach equality between points you can get with CPU and GPU. Fyi, these are the benchmarks that did not have any points before, but which have hardware points enabled on the test server:
- PCMark04
- Reference clock
- Memory clock
- PCMark Vantage
- Heaven DX9
- 3DMark 11 Performance
Just for testing.
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 15:43
hum I don't see any points for
- PCMark04
- Reference clock
- Memory clock
- PCMark Vantage
- Heaven DX9
- 3DMark 11 Performance
Where is the magic (recalculate best submissions'' button ?
Strunkenbold
05-09-2011, 15:49
In my opinion, Tec is not really extreme...
You buy a peltier for 20 bucks, use an old psu and there you go! There are even air coolers available using peltiers...
NoM$_YesLinux
05-09-2011, 16:04
Another question...
Will be another internationalization project for rev4? :)
cold.nut
05-09-2011, 16:16
great looking site, i can't wait!
The rankings:
As for: the Overclockers League: the new algoritm has no hw cap. Instead of using a hardware cap, we've limited the hardware points contribution to your personal total to SUM(top-20 hw results). So, the maximum hw points you can reach is 20x50=1000p. But, to reach that, you'll have to be 1st in 20 highly competitive rankings!
Awesome idea of calculation! Also due to the limitation of TOP15 Benchmarks global even if there will be 3DM 2013, 2015, UH2, AM5 etc. you can focus on your TOP15 favourite benchmarks - GREAT!
Also I noticed I haven't lost places this time, it's more or less exactly the same as before - I have a certain balance of scores so this does fit quite good. I can climb up rankings with focusing on popular rankings.
If everyone is honest this will work very good, but when people sell outstanding hardware within the team (what I find legit if they pay "normal" prices) that could cause an unbalance in rankings. Also if you find a good let's say 775 chip or a nice VGA you pair with a good Sandy you'll go through the ranking like a hot knife through butter. it will be interesting to see how that will come out in the end.
Anyway the best guys will be able to hit 900-1000 hwboints with focusing on 20 good submissions and then it will be about global scores again so it is not a major issue at all. I smell a lot movement and tactics in the future as if you're not able to break the global score of sb you can still give him a big hit when you are able to crack his best hw-submissions.
I know it's a very hard point to discuss about but maybe at a certain point there will be field for a serial nr. or something to make sure that the same card/cpu isn't benched over and over again. Or set a limitation that max. 3 users of a team may have same serial used (inkl. at least one picture in on 3D submission with that card, e.g. mandatory when you first make a submission with a new card you haven't had before).
Need to read a bit more into it but the first impression is most important and it's damn good ;)
I only hope the design will get a bit more "compact" - it looks very clean but everything is like twice as big as it must be or do I only feel so? Maybe it's made by intention as massman's eyes are not that good anymore? :p
(somebody expected a post without a side-poke on massman? you expected wrong! :D )
richba5tard
05-09-2011, 16:20
Another question...
Will be another internationalization project for rev4? :)
Yes, but I'm afraid complete internationalization will be postponed to rev4.1.
I would like the logo change like google and with less "fear films".
The rest very good revision.
will be field for a serial nr.
Useless, until we have mechanism to track hardware s/n by software, like CPU-Z CPUID or CPU name instruction read. Those who want cheat - will cheat no matter if serial number field will be implemented or not, just more headache to honest overclockers.
+1 Vote to CPU-Z Globals. 7G is 7G, no matter if it's gulfy or cedary, it's all about raw frequency, not about performance. We can use different rankings per core amount for example, as we have for wPrime etc. cedars will go 1xCPU rank then, amd's will go 2xcpu 3xcpu , etcetcetc.
Also country rankings give E404.
+1 To more compact design too , please.
Love the hwbotie logo in R4.
Looks pretty good, but my boints changed a lot!!! I went from 50 to 31 in Rev.4 :( that's the part doesn't like me.
Hondacity
05-09-2011, 16:30
+1 to cpuz globals
i invested too much on it lol
+1 to get the CPUz globals back.
if you take the liberty of comparing 7GHz on a Gulftown to 7GHz on a Cedarmill, then also compare 10s 1M on a Gulftown and 10s 1M on a CedarMill - each type of CPU has its own partypiece
Gunslinger
05-09-2011, 16:45
I was looking at OC league "USA ranking" and when you click on "show next 20" it reverts to the overall OC league rankings while going to the next 20 members.
Early bug? just thought I'd share. :)
I kind of like the no globals for CPUz
As for batch: we are implementing this feature so users can track down results with a specific CPU. The Hardware Library feature will make extensive use of the batch (and serial) field. Hold on to 4.1 to see what we really want to do with the Hardware Library :).
I only hope the design will get a bit more "compact" - it looks very clean but everything is like twice as big as it must be or do I only feel so? Maybe it's made by intention as massman's eyes are not that good anymore? :p
+1 To more compact design too , please.
What do you mean with "more compact"?
For outsiders, the current frontpage is completely uncomprehensible (too much info in too little space). R4 should already be a lot more simple (with the sidebar on the left removed)?
Don't have much time to dig into it now, will come back and look through everything once finals are over.
I am somewhat curious about one thing though, what's the motivation behind removing the 300 hardware point cap for the enthusiast league? I just ask since it seems kind of contradictory to describe the enthusiast league as "The top of the overclockers league is the gateway to professional, sponsored overclocking. " and to have the 8th ranked user have less then 200 global/WR points.
Not trying to single anyone out, just want to learn more about the change :)
Edit: I do see that there is still a score on the user page which has HW points capped to 300 so maybe it's still around in some form :shrug:
I am somewhat curious about one thing though, what's the motivation behind removing the 300 hardware point cap for the enthusiast league? I just ask since it seems kind of contradictory to describe the enthusiast league as "The top of the overclockers league is the gateway to professional, sponsored overclocking. " and to have the 8th ranked user have less then 200 global/WR points.
There is no hardware cap to 300 anymore. Typo on the page.
knopflerbruce
05-09-2011, 17:29
I don't quite follow the logic behind removing CPUZ for globals either, one CPU type has to be the best choice for one type of benchmark, by applying the same logic to any other benchmark we're left with nothing:p
IMO it's kinda cool that old tech can still pwn in some way, even though the performance is shit.
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 17:30
I don't quite follow the logic behind removing CPUZ for globals either, one CPU type has to be the best choice for one type of benchmark, by applying the same logic to any other benchmark we're left with nothing:p
That's what I already said :D
@TiN agreed on the issues with sn # but maybe the hardware lib will make some things more open :)
@Design The tables are too wide (in height and witdh or only on my 24"?) and I personally badly miss the sidebar.
There is not that much information on the screen, you will need a lot subpages and so on. This is a highly user-based perception. What you say "too much info in too little space" was actually something I (as somebody involved in the topic) did always liked about the design.
example: the new "today's submission" is now 1060x600 for 10 results
the old page is roughly 800x500 for 20 results (not so nicely arranged, could need a little rework)
So the actual "information per area"-rate has decreased a bit too much. Hard to explain, as I said it is highly depending if you like it compact or not.
€: oh and I actually welcome the fact of no CPUz points! raw-MHZ technically doesn't mean everything these days and we should see it that way. But on the other side, maybe there will be CPUs able to get somewhere near the old scores at some day and then we would have to re-activate them. So well if most of the ppl would like it, I don't see that much of a big issue there, just personally at the moment and due to the technical evolution I wouldn't count them in.
Q56_Monster
05-09-2011, 17:40
Finally we can run multiple gfx cards and have the points count....I love it!
sumonpathak
05-09-2011, 17:44
looks good....but where am i in the enthusiasts league?:(
sumonpathak
05-09-2011, 17:45
and when is it coming out for real?
looks good....but where am i in the enthusiasts league?:(
People overclocking with ambient temps goes there, as soon as you use extreme cooling (under zero temps) you will jump to the next league.
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 17:46
looks good....but where am i in the enthusiasts league?:(
Ranked #1222 of 31421
sumonpathak
05-09-2011, 17:47
i don't use extreme's........found my name...but it shows ZERO points.....:(
@christian...any help????
Now I can navigate to the benchmark global leaderboards (could be simpler)..... I see its ranked as:
Hardware - Results - User - Team - score - points
IMHO, hardware and results should be beside the score, not separated by the user and team :)
Would "results" be better if renamed to "MHz"? :)
When I click on my Points Tab in my profile nothing os coming up. all the other tabs work.
Also when I click on my country I get a 404 error.
Vin
sumonpathak
05-09-2011, 17:58
i seriously am confused bout the Points system...it says i got 8.30 Hardware points and no global points.......how is that??????
Bug in the system????
"The Overclockers league is based on a members best 15 global & worldrecord submissions, and the best 20 submissions with the most 'hardware' and 'competition' points."
Say say your highest HW point submission is also one your best global submission do you get the full amount of points 2 times? IE
0+50+50 2nd place global submission for gtx-555 in 3dmark2001
0+50+50 1st place hardware submission for gtx-555 3dmark2001
Is the resulting points added to your total 100? or 200.
"The Overclockers league is based on a members best 15 global & worldrecord submissions, and the best 20 submissions with the most 'hardware' and 'competition' points."
Say say your highest HW point submission is also one your best global submission do you get the full amount of points 2 times? IE
0+50+50 2nd place global submission for gtx-555 in 3dmark2001
0+50+50 1st place hardware submission for gtx-555 3dmark2001
Is the resulting points added to your total 100? or 200.
50 global points + 50 hardware points = 100 total points
sumonpathak
05-09-2011, 18:30
erm...can anyone tell me whats the deal with the points???
am too confused:(
erm...can anyone tell me whats the deal with the points???
am too confused:(
- Pro OC = ∑ [top-15 (global + wr)]
- OC = ∑ [top-15 (global +wr) + top-20 (hardware)]
- Enthusiast = ∑ [top-15 (global) + top-20 (hardware)] (only results on stock, air or water and with picture of system)
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 18:37
with picture of system
before rev4 results need to have a picture too ? for the rev4 Enthusiast League
Strunkenbold
05-09-2011, 19:16
before rev4 results need to have a picture too ? for the rev4 Enthusiast League
Would be fair....
But, its dumb to upload the same picture for each submission. Wouldnt it be enough, to share the same picture for cpuz, pcmark, superpi, pifast and wprime? Maybe use some kind of linking.
what determines a pro? can we just choose to play with the big boys without sponsors? if so please change me to pro ;)
what determines a pro? can we just choose to play with the big boys without sponsors? if so please change me to pro ;)
I like that spirit. Moved.
Fyi, pro oc is allowed to use all types of pre-binned hand-picked hardware :)
I like that spirit. Moved.
Fyi, pro oc is allowed to use all types of pre-binned hand-picked hardware :)
Not convinced that pro tip will help Splave in the least bit but thx.
Turrican
05-09-2011, 19:36
hmm, the country ranking isn't working atm i guess?
The team rankings TOTAL team points are different than the total's listed when clicked on the individual team's profile page. From a Team Captain point of view, difficult to scan thru and find strong/weak points to guide the team.
Suggestions on approaching this?
The team rankings TOTAL team points are different than the total's listed when clicked on the individual team's profile page. From a Team Captain point of view, difficult to scan thru and find strong/weak points to guide the team.
Suggestions on approaching this?
Good point. We'll add some overview tools so it'll be easier to see what you have to work on.
Eeky NoX
05-09-2011, 19:53
before rev4 results need to have a picture too ? for the rev4 Enthusiast League
Btw you're not in that league mate :p Interesting we can't compete in it if we did submissons under cold though?
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 20:11
Btw you're not in that league mate :p Interesting we can't compete in it if we did submissons under cold though?
Yep, it's not updated yet, cause I deleted my only 3 results under LN2, some 7.2 GHz submissions, so now I can move to Enthusiats League
I like that spirit. Moved.
Fyi, pro oc is allowed to use all types of pre-binned hand-picked hardware :)
awww man that means no more bitch about it rofl ;) move me back now! jk jk Thanks for moving me
Just want to make sure my team will still get my HW boints right?
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 20:28
awww man that means no more bitch about it rofl ;) move me back now! jk jk Thanks for moving me
Just want to make sure my team will still get my HW boints right?
Anyway it's not final, you are just temporary moved, he has to move you again when the rev4 will be up and running
It's not even synchronized with actual rev
Eeky NoX
05-09-2011, 20:32
It's the same for team member's list too I suppose ?
Edit: There's issues in the country's list when you click on the "next 20" button it kicks the country filter :/
Than you need to choose another country and choose again the one you want to see this next page.
Strunkenbold
05-09-2011, 20:39
J4F:
under CPU details, you could include the percentage of the overclocked cpu speed
e.g.
Speed: 2000Mhz@4000Mhz (100% OC)
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 20:48
No more possible to delete results right ?
I saw some bugs but I think it's not the time and place to post them
When rev4 will be up and running ? ( I mean replace actual working rev)
Eeky NoX
05-09-2011, 20:51
No more possible to delete results right ?
What? For real ? I don't think it's a good idea... I only keep my best results :/
I think that is a limitation of the early beta - no result upload possible, so why there should be deleting available yet? ;) I don't think (and hope) they remove that feature.
Christian Ney
05-09-2011, 20:57
I think that is a limitation of the early beta - no result upload possible, so why there should be deleting available yet? ;) I don't think (and hope) they remove that feature.
afaik it was on the rev4 plan list
EDIT: not on the plan list but on the rev4 Thread
Turrican
05-09-2011, 21:06
atm, you can't even report scores i think. :D
Eeky NoX
05-09-2011, 21:32
atm, you can't even report scores i think. :D
Damn! I was just about to report some suspicious 3Dmark99 runs :D
Well I'm checking the submission's page.
1st: great effort on the new database sheat wow ! tons of infos to write ^^ (nice tips in the popups too)
One thing to notice, it's a bit confusing here with batch infos between memory and boards :
http://hwbot.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=954&stc=1&d=1304972973
Could it be possible to put the boards revisions here too ?
Nice improvement btw.
PizzaMan
05-09-2011, 21:44
OCN team has 0 points and goes from #21 to #1278.....
Look perfect. I'm sure my team will be more motivated then ever to submit scores. http://www.overclock.net/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
http://uat.hwbot.org/team/overclock.net
Winning MOA, GOOC, etc gets points only in OC League or also in the Pro OC League?
knopflerbruce
05-09-2011, 22:06
I dunno if it's possible to implement this, but is it possible to remove the delete button for scores that have been reported? If so, then it's a good idea to allow users to delete their own results, but if not... then it's better to ask a moderator - too many cases with deleted screenshots in the past...
richba5tard
05-09-2011, 22:15
OCN team has 0 points and goes from #21 to #1278.....
Look perfect. I'm sure my team will be more motivated then ever to submit scores. http://www.overclock.net/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
http://uat.hwbot.org/team/overclock.net
http://uat.hwbot.org/team/overclock.net/
Antinomy
05-09-2011, 22:39
First thought - navigation became really nasty. The top border is too wide meaning you can't see any useful info without scrolling. It would be better if everything vital would be right when the screen is opened and only additional info would require scrolling the page down.
Can't see team members list on the members tab in team profile - is that a bug or a feature? :D
Can't see rankings within country, for example: http://uat.hwbot.org/country/canada
Not all results are indexed, is it true? Looks like some profiles aren't in the rankings.
And typos of all kinds like:
The Enthusiast League but The Enthousiast league is based on a members
Brian y.
05-09-2011, 23:09
what determines a pro? can we just choose to play with the big boys without sponsors? if so please change me to pro ;)yes, if applicable I would like the same please....:)
Linuxfan
05-09-2011, 23:09
Hope you decide to give CPU-Z globals again one way or another... either by frequency regardless of hardware(like it was) or with categories of different generation or socket CPUs.
I like it :) , i think you guys did a great job with this revision and a big step forward , Definitely a lot better , but can you guys re-think about giving points again for cpu-z , Thank you.
Antinomy
05-09-2011, 23:55
CPU-Z doesn't get boints?:eek: :eek: :eek:
what the heck?
Hard to look around with the server overloaded, but looks like it will be fun.
Bring CPUZ back, though. Raw speed gives a visceral reaction that matters. The argument for removing it is just plain weak. Might as well ditch 3D01 too because it's really a test that merely measures the performance of a few old-generation green cards.
Question: How to do you see Power team points? How do you see how many team points were generated by a submission?
If everyone is honest this will work very good, but when people sell outstanding hardware within the team (what I find legit if they pay "normal" prices) that could cause an unbalance in rankings. Also if you find a good let's say 775 chip or a nice VGA you pair with a good Sandy you'll go through the ranking like a hot knife through butter. it will be interesting to see how that will come out in the end.
They crippled hw sharing (and team points) so selling good hw to team mates is essentially crippled also, isn't it?
Issues:
300 hw points limit applied on Teams pages "Points Earned" box.
Global Points: 1,436.20
Hardware Points: 15,298.00 (limited to 300 points for personal total points)
Total Points: 1,736.20
I liked the quick search and benchmark lists on the page. Perhaps a drop down could be added to the main bar, if you want less clutter on the page.
//rofl http://uat.hwbot.org/user/massmansucks/
///You were just mad that we knocked you off the top 20 page, so you made a whole new Rev to pass us :p JK.
////Game on!
CPU-Z
GPU-Z
max memory speed
max bus speed
max ...
Those all are just maximum operating frequencies and they shouldn't be awarded with points.
In new revision those will get HW points but no global points. This is very locigal idea. (Except GPU-Z)
This is a good change!
Antinomy
05-10-2011, 06:04
Don't think so.
Max CPU frequency is where it all began. Max bus speed tells us a bit about the speed of the system and max memory speed tells nothing.
Can you tell what is better - DDR2-800 3-2-2- or DDR2-1000 6-6-6-? The last has higher frequency it should be rewarded higher, right?
I just think that removing CPU-Z was incorrect. As for other speed things - they don't tell us much about the resultive speed of the system so I agree with you.
Antinomy
05-10-2011, 06:04
Don't think so.
Max CPU frequency is where it all began. Max bus speed tells us a bit about the speed of the system and max memory speed tells nothing.
Can you tell what is better - DDR2-800 3-2-2- or DDR2-1000 6-6-6-? The last has higher frequency it should be rewarded higher, right?
I just think that removing CPU-Z was incorrect. As for other speed things - they don't tell us much about the resultive speed of the system so I agree with you.
CPU-Z
GPU-Z
max memory speed
max bus speed
max ...
Those all are just maximum operating frequencies and they shouldn't be awarded with points.
In new revision those will get HW points but no global points. This is very locigal idea. (Except GPU-Z)
This is a good change!
And when you are testing e.g. super pi, that isn't maximum operating frequencies? CPU-Z is a test to see what is the maximum your cpu could handle and it is always great to see high frequency
After all, aren't we a community that should together decide on such things, not just 1,2,3... people? If a lot of us want it to be included, then what is the obstacle?
Viewing on iphone is horridible, fyi. Any chance of mobile friendly coding?
Viewing on iphone is horridible, fyi. Any chance of mobile friendly coding?
The new backend code is 100% ready to make a mobile version of the site. That means: if we have the time to make a mobile version, it should not be that much work.
Christian Ney
05-10-2011, 08:00
you haven't quoted and replied to the whole night :p
sumonpathak
05-10-2011, 08:17
not all results are updated i guess?????
coz my latest submission in aqua-mark is missing.........
The UAT server is not running a live database. We've used a full copy of a backup taken a few days ago.
sumonpathak
05-10-2011, 08:23
CPU-Z
GPU-Z
max memory speed
max bus speed
max ...
Those all are just maximum operating frequencies and they shouldn't be awarded with points.
erm....why????
Lippokratis
05-10-2011, 09:52
any chance to see the points distribution for the team league? when i'm on the team page there are listed the global points and all hardware points. it would be better to see the points whichwere used to calculate the team points, especially the power team points with a little bit more information where the points come from because now it is not so easy to see like in rev3. tray to make the for the ranking counting points more and easy viewable.
and why stands there hardware points limit 300? i dont see any limitation in your equation.
Teams league = ∑ {powerteam (global + hardware) + [user points (global + hardware) / 4} (is the divisor now constant at 4 or will it change? on the first post it is a 10. )
bugs/errors
- http://uat.hwbot.org/league/oc - on the right stands "The Enthusiast League." but it is clearly the oc League
- where is the members list? when i'm klicking on members on the team page there is no list. just the top5 scorer
Winning MOA, GOOC, etc gets points only in OC League or also in the Pro OC League?
Any answer to this? :)
Any answer to this? :)
Sorry, missed the question.
No. This for the simple reason that if Hicookie would get 50 extra points for winning GOOC WW 2011 and thus beating the ASUS guys, Hicookie would win GOOC.
BUT!
Maybe we can start with adding points and only remove the competition points if turns out manufacturers are in fact taking advantage of this?
thebanik
05-10-2011, 11:37
+100 for CPUz Global Points.....
Sorry, missed the question.
No. This for the simple reason that if Hicookie would get 50 extra points for winning GOOC WW 2011 and thus beating the ASUS guys, Hicookie would win GOOC.
BUT!
Maybe we can start with adding points and only remove the competition points if turns out manufacturers are in fact taking advantage of this?
So only in the OC League for now?
What change between Xtreme Overclockers League and Enthusiast league ?
Why there aren't the rankings for the Xtreme Overclockers League ?
Thanks, bob80.
Leeghoofd
05-10-2011, 13:47
I get some weird colours for the background and fonts in eg the HWbot May OC challenge. It's quite unreadable... or are it maybe my eyes :D...
Enthusiast league can play cpu es (980 a0)?
Non-retail silicon (like A0) is only allowed in Pro OC. ES of retail stepping (eg: B1 ES) is allowed in all categories.
Im sorry to be so thick lol
Can you explain Power Team boints a little more? Do they only apply to fastest of each benchmark, or fastest of each peice of hw per benchmark. Does it matter how many cards/cores? When and where will they be able to be viewed?
How does this revision cut back on a team sharing value?
Christian Ney
05-10-2011, 16:30
hum I don't see any points for
- PCMark04
- Reference clock
- Memory clock
- PCMark Vantage
- Heaven DX9
- 3DMark 11 Performance
Where is the magic (recalculate best submissions'' button ?
and when is it coming out for real?
before rev4 results need to have a picture too ? for the rev4 Enthusiast League
No more possible to delete results right ?
Massman please :)
thx
Lippokratis
05-10-2011, 16:42
Im sorry to be so thick lol
Can you explain Power Team boints a little more? Do they only apply to fastest of each benchmark, or fastest of each peice of hw per benchmark. Does it matter how many cards/cores? When and where will they be able to be viewed?
How does this revision cut back on a team sharing value?
good question. it would be nice to see how the Team points were calculated. not the equation - the points. the team points are so non-transparent so the team can not focus right. please make it more clear and viewabe at least for the team captains.
Can you explain Power Team boints a little more? Do they only apply to fastest of each benchmark, or fastest of each peice of hw per benchmark. Does it matter how many cards/cores? When and where will they be able to be viewed?
How does this revision cut back on a team sharing value?
Good question.
First of all, it's important to understand the difference between a user ranking and a powerteam ranking. The user ranking is an hardware or global list of benchmark submissions filtered to show only the best score per user. Every single ranking of the current Rev3 is a user ranking.
If you go to our test server and look for any random ranking, you can see a little filter that says: "best of: member | team".
http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//pt.png
If you click on 'member', it will show you the user rankings. If you click on 'team' it will show you the 'powerteam ranking'. For each global and hardware ranking you currently find in rev3, there is a user and powerteam version in rev4.
The points for a specific place in a user or powerteam ranking will be shown next to the submission. Currently this is not the case as the rankings need to be polished a bit. In any case, the way the powerteam points are calculated are very similar to the way the user points are calculated (both in rev3 and rev4): based on position within a ranking and the 'weight' or competitiveness of the ranking. In other words, the more teams are competing in a specific ranking, the more powerteam points you will get in the ranking. Note that just like the user ranking, the powerteam rankings are also split up based on amount of cores.
The maximum theoretical points you can get per ranking are:
- user, global = 150p
- user, hardware = 50p
- powerteam, global = 500p
- powerteam, hardware = 150p
As I mentioned in the opening post, the team points (on which the Teams League is based) are calculated as follows:
Team points = SUM(all powerpoints) + [ SUM(all user points) / 10]
In the current algoritm, the practical weight between user and powerpoints is +/_ fifty-fifty. By this I mean that you need a vast amount of user points in addition to the powerteam points to have a solid ranking.
As for sharing. Note that the current hardware sharing rules are still applicable! So sharing a CPU for CPU benchmarks is not allowed, sharing a GPU for GPU benchmarks is not allowed, etc. The benefit of illegal hardware sharing has decreased by a factor of 10.
Let me know if you have more questions.
Im sorry to be so thick lol
No worries, just look for a gym in the neighbourhood!
I fall down #20 to #35....
I think rev.4 will be not good for me...cuz i always fought to get good scores at Global...
Nothing to do...i didn t like to worked a lot to reach top 20 or top 10....and not follow down again...
But....is not my decision...sometimes i think about to give up...and just bench for fun and not for ranking (that s important in my country)...
Can t effort more than i did ...
best regards
Interesting note for the AMD lovers out there.
In the R3 version of the Overclockers League, the effect of hardware rankings was pretty minimal as there was a cap to 300. With the cap removed and the effect of hardware points determined by your 20 best (hardware) submissions, you can make your way to the top with AMD hardware too. For example:
- 10th AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE SuperPI 32M = 23 points (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1093291_.d3vil._superpi_phenom_ii_x4_955_be_10sec_ 203ms)
- 12th Intel Core i7 980X SuperPI 32M = 22,9 points (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/994833_deux_superpi_32m_core_i7_extreme_980x_5min_ 45sec_813ms)
In theory you can get as much as 1000 points from 20 #1 hardware submissions.
//edit.
The same goes for the multi-gpu overclockers. You no longer need to focus on the highly competitive single GPU rankings to score points, you can now also score points in the competitive dual gpu rankings. For example:
- 5th 2x ATI Radeon HD 4870 3DMark06 = 16 points (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2147129_snake__3dmark05_2x_radeon_hd_4870_46943_ma rks)
- 14th 1x Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 3Dmark05 = 15,9 points (http://hwbot.org/community/submission/2142448_hivizman_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_285_39789_ma rks)
Most of us on the Xtremesystems Storage Forum would very much like to see points given for pcmv. Actually long overdue I would think.
Most of us on the Xtremesystems Storage Forum would very much like to see points given for pcmv. Actually long overdue I would think.
I've been thinking the same thing... PCM04 no longer gets points and haven't for a bit now, PCMV would be a good replacement...
Vin
Most of us on the Xtremesystems Storage Forum would very much like to see points given for pcmv. Actually long overdue I would think.
The idea is to give hardware points to PCMark Vantage when Rev4 launches.
sumonpathak
05-10-2011, 18:26
and what bout maxxmemm Refclock and sandra and all?
Christian Ney
05-10-2011, 18:27
- PCMark04
- Reference clock
- Memory clock
- PCMark Vantage
- Heaven DX9
- 3DMark 11 Performance
Massman said them
knopflerbruce
05-10-2011, 18:29
Wasn't pcmark04 removed for a reason?
^^ great news re pcmv! I will pass on to the storage guys!
I like it!
I think its a great idea that you make popular hardware which can get 50hw points add to global score.
Cool
Christian Ney
05-10-2011, 18:32
^^ great news re pcmv! I will pass on to the storage guys!
Will order 2 x LSI 8x drive PCIe x8 + 16SSD RAID-0 for review then I will bench them to get you XD
Wasn't pcmark04 removed for a reason?
The necessity to trick one subtest for 2+ core'd cpus. Hardware points means it's a benchmark that can be used for old-school processors, for instance.
sumonpathak
05-10-2011, 18:34
- PCMark04
- Reference clock
- Memory clock
- PCMark Vantage
- Heaven DX9
- 3DMark 11 Performance
Massman said them
my bad...didnt notice....guess i will get some boints after-all........
also i think the calculations are not done finally....right?
coz some of my submissions are wayy off the mark.......and miscalculated
Stromatolites
05-10-2011, 18:36
- PCMark04
- Reference clock
- Memory clock
- PCMark Vantage
- Heaven DX9
- 3DMark 11 Performance
Massman said them
Thanks for that Christian :)
Will order 2 x LSI 8x drive PCIe x8 + 16SSD RAID-0 for review then I will bench them to get you XD
if you can make it bootable, yes that would do it!
Christian Ney
05-10-2011, 18:45
if you can make it bootable, yes that would do it!
hoooo yeah true with Vantage you can no more choose the device to bench, it as to always be the one where the OS is installed.
Electroneng
05-10-2011, 18:54
Why would I now not be ranked in the worldwide rankings? Or listed in any leaques totals?
Computurd
05-10-2011, 18:58
Thanks for finally including PCMV that is huge for us storage nerds. will definitely fan the fire again in that benchmark.
In regards to PCMark7, will that get points as well?
GENiEBEN
05-10-2011, 19:00
Thanks for finally including PCMV that is huge for us storage nerds. will definitely fan the fire again in that benchmark.
In regards to PCMark7, will that get points as well?
New benchmarks never get boints here.
massman thanks for explaining cleared things up nicely :)
So there will not be a cap on HW points added to your personal ranking score of 300 like there is currently? It will just be your top 20 point receiving scores?
Warrior_oF_Byte
05-10-2011, 19:20
Congratulations guys, the page looks great, the search bar seems very powerful.
About the algoritm, can you tell me why you choose for Non Pro OC League a TOP 20 over TOP 30 or TOP 50?
So there will not be a cap on HW points added to your personal ranking score of 300 like there is currently? It will just be your top 20 point receiving scores?
Exactly! There is written "300 points limitation" on some pages still but this is a mistake. Your 20 best hardware-submissions will fully count on the total points in the oc-league!
If I'm not mistaken, CPUz will not get globals anymore... but Reference clock, for example, yes.
So, to be coherent, if CPUz won't get globals, reference clock would not get them too because if the reason behind is "Cedar Mills can obviously run higher than Wolfdales", then the same thinking could be applied to Reference clock: getting 600fsb on a 965/p35/p45/x48 is easy, it's harder to get 255 BCLK on X58 but no points here because 600>>>>>255.
Did I mess up something?
Christian Ney
05-10-2011, 21:29
hw points for ref clocks, no globals afaik
If I'm not mistaken, CPUz will not get globals anymore... but Reference clock, for example, yes.
So, to be coherent, if CPUz won't get globals, reference clock would not get them too because if the reason behind is "Cedar Mills can obviously run higher than Wolfdales", then the same thinking could be applied to Reference clock: getting 600fsb on a 965/p35/p45/x48 is easy, it's harder to get 255 BCLK on X58 but no points here because 600>>>>>255.
Did I mess up something?
You are correct and therefore this hwbot version and rev4 is not good.
the old version was much better.
Ah ok, thanks Chris, I misunderstood something then.
Anyway, I'm for the "give cpuz globals team" because every generation of VGAs, for instance, does higher scores than the old one in 3d benchs... it's easy to put 4xgtx580 with stock coolers with a ln2 cooled 980x@6ghz and take globals... it's harder to get a 4870 to 1110mhz gpu@ln2 togheter with the cpu, just to speak about our last submission. So, no globals for a 4870 in 3d benches (except for 01), but globals for a semi-stock rig with 4x400euros videocards.
I think it's the same situation...
You are correct and therefore this hwbot version and rev4 is not good.
the old version was much better.
Ehi chiller, I don't think rev4 isn't good, I have always been a Rev4 supporter just for the fact that HW Sharing isn't contributing SO MUCH in team points from now on.
As of today, the only thing on which I disagree, is this no globals for cpuz issue. :)
Diabolo 80
05-10-2011, 21:43
You are correct and therefore this hwbot version and rev4 is not good.
the old version was much better.
OC League Rev4 pretty good for members whith high skill! 1000 hwboints are not so much hard, only 20 submitions :)
Linuxfan
05-10-2011, 22:02
You are correct and therefore this hwbot version and rev4 is not good.
the old version was much better.
Neither gets globals, but they now get hardware points so you can still compete for points in CPU-Z and now as well with a bunch of other benchmarks against other people with the same hardware. :)
for the Enthusiast League may attach screenshot system (foto)for submissions that I have way or should start from the beginning?
richba5tard
05-10-2011, 22:41
The beginning if you want to have them count.
I'm installing a newer version on UAT. ETA: 8hours.
Hooray, so tomorrow morning we'll se the new beta :)
Christian Ney
05-10-2011, 23:15
The beginning if you want to have them count.
wow, wait ... This means I have to take pics and upload/edit more than 800 submissions :eek:
or only TOP20 submissions ? and TOP15 globals ?
Q56_Monster
05-10-2011, 23:21
- PCMark04
- Reference clock
- Memory clock
- PCMark Vantage
- Heaven DX9
- 3DMark 11 Performance
Massman said them
I see where massman said pcmv, but maybe I missed the others. Why would only HW points be awarded for heaven dx9 and 3dm11. Aren't these the new standards, especially 3dm11 dx11? They should get globals imo.
XtremeCuztoms
05-11-2011, 00:56
The future is looking interesting here for sure.
Electroneng
05-11-2011, 01:26
I think this is pure garbage! I have never shared hardware with any of my teammates and I am being punished! Go back and take pictures of all my submittal's, a lot of the hardware, I do not have anymore. Why not just blank the database and make everyone start back at 0!!
I benched my ass off for 328 user points and 514 team points and every time at look at this crap beta, I lose points! Hell, I will be at minus 200 in a couple of hours.
Nice way to kill benching!
Mr.Scott
05-11-2011, 01:43
I think this is pure garbage! I have never shared hardware with any of my teammates and I am being punished! Go back and take pictures of all my submittal's, a lot of the hardware, I do not have anymore. Why not just blank the database and make everyone start back at 0!!
I benched my ass off for 328 user points and 514 team points and every time at look at this crap beta, I lose points! Hell, I will be at minus 200 in a couple of hours.
Nice way to kill benching!
There are a lot of people in your same situation. Try a different perspective. When benching for points that are worth nothing, becomes more important than just the fun of benching, it might be time to find a different hobby.;)
knopflerbruce
05-11-2011, 01:51
Well, the picture requirement is the same for all the people you compete with in rev 4 anyway.
Atm Rich is updating the server, which could cause some bugs I think. I checked my profile and my cup count is very low right now. I bet the boints are affected as well.
Electroneng
05-11-2011, 02:00
There are a lot of people in your same situation. Try a different perspective. When benching for points that are worth nothing, becomes more important than just the fun of benching, it might be time to find a different hobby.;)
I am fine with the elimination of the 0.1 benches. I am not fine with the elimination of hard earned points that already have been earned. Every new piece of hardware is a challenge. Now earning 3 points with some graphics cards is harder then earning 15 points with a 8800gt but you will not be rewarded. It still depends on how many people bench with a certain piece of hardware, Why not say only 10 graphics cards and 10 cpu models allowed.
Or Only 100 benches allowed from everyone of a certain item
Mr.Scott
05-11-2011, 02:04
^^^ Missed my point.
Electroneng
05-11-2011, 02:11
^^^ Missed my point.
I understand your point!
Always try your best and most do! This new revision is what will kill the fun of it and cause a great deal of new hobby seekers.
They should just eliminate all points and start everyone back at 0 with a new revision!
that would make more sense then this!
Worked hard to reach top 20...top 15...now I am about #35...
I always benched looking for a global, cuz there in my country, we need to be good ranked to try some help from factory (brands...MSI, Corsair, GB, ASUS, eg.)...
"Some help" and no sponsored ok??? (sometimes 1 motherboard...sometimes 1 CPU...but never lots of help + sample"s" + LN2 (very expensive), etc.
Is really hard to know I spent lots of time and work to get a good place and now be so far the place i think is deserved.
But...i have no power to decide hwbot future...but i think hwbot could be keep personal points and to be changed only Team scores to prevent hardware sharing.
Best regards
Hondacity
05-11-2011, 03:00
Ehi chiller, I don't think rev4 isn't good, I have always been a Rev4 supporter just for the fact that HW Sharing isn't contributing SO MUCH in team points from now on.
As of today, the only thing on which I disagree, is this no globals for cpuz issue. :)
perfectly said... :thumbsup:
I don't see any users in the rankings this morning.
Am not a fan at all of the front page layout, the banner takes up too much real estate, the buttons and frames and fonts on everything is so big, and top submissions for the day is the first and only thing you can see without scrolling.
Linuxfan
05-11-2011, 04:41
Worked hard to reach top 20...top 15...now I am about #35...
I always benched looking for a global, cuz there in my country, we need to be good ranked to try some help from factory (brands...MSI, Corsair, GB, ASUS, eg.)...
"Some help" and no sponsored ok??? (sometimes 1 motherboard...sometimes 1 CPU...but never lots of help + sample"s" + LN2 (very expensive), etc.
Is really hard to know I spent lots of time and work to get a good place and now be so far the place i think is deserved.
But...i have no power to decide hwbot future...but i think hwbot could be keep personal points and to be changed only Team scores to prevent hardware sharing.
Best regards
You didn't lose all of your hard worked for globals, you just need to get a some high rankings in a popular hardware category now and you'll be back up there :)
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 06:30
Well, the picture requirement is the same for all the people you compete with in rev 4 anyway.
Atm Rich is updating the server, which could cause some bugs I think. I checked my profile and my cup count is very low right now. I bet the boints are affected as well.
still under update atm
EDIT: updated, but I am still on the XOL !
You have to manually select the ranking you want to play in here: http://uat.hwbot.org/profile/
Pretty cool to see how Pro OC works. Deanzo put a couple of big scores yesterday and would be 3rd in the league now! http://uat.hwbot.org/league/pro_oc
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 09:33
thx PJ, changed now waiting for update :p
hum last one lol
Ha yeh true I need pics for all submissions, dammit
richba5tard
05-11-2011, 09:51
wow, wait ... This means I have to take pics and upload/edit more than 800 submissions :eek:
or only TOP20 submissions ? and TOP15 globals ?
Indeed, only your top20 hw / top 15 global need a picture for enthusiast league.
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 09:53
ok will do that with massman's pic on the beta server and real pics on the actual rev ;)
Done for the rev4 server, still ranked last atm :p
IMHO i'd be happier seeing Unigine DX9 getting no points and i'd love CPU-Z to get global points back :)
3DMark11... not fussed which (one) preset gets points, but I hope it is deemed ready for points at some stage soon :)
RAM and Reference clocks... hardware points is ok :)
You have to manually select the ranking you want to play in here: http://uat.hwbot.org/profile/I tried - it doesn't work.
Nor does changing / creating a team.
richba5tard
05-11-2011, 11:00
Changing leagues works, but changing teams is indeed bugged on the uat server.
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 11:23
Changing leagues works
How much time it takes to be effective ?
ScunnyUK
05-11-2011, 12:04
There are a lot of people in your same situation. Try a different perspective. When benching for points that are worth nothing, becomes more important than just the fun of benching, it might be time to find a different hobby.;)
Im sorry Mr Scott but it isnt just about a hobby anymore. Its about a competitive sport, the very existance of hwbot makes it so. If it was just about a hobby then nobody would care about the points, h/w sharing or how any of it effects us, our teams and rankings. ;)
richba5tard
05-11-2011, 12:14
How much time it takes to be effective ?
If not immediatly, it's bugged on the uat server.
The Witchdoctor
05-11-2011, 12:47
Jury is still out for me,
Strange how I can lose 1200 boints and yet have a higher Global ranking.
I am still having a tough time wrapping my head around this, when this goes live will that be the point where you choose where you are competing???
I have sub zero, water and air submissions....
If you are in the middle leauge, will water and air count ?
and where do single stagers and cascades fit into the mix ?
I do like the fact that all forms of hardware will be able to compete in rev 4, some of the most dedicated guys I talk with on the forums use older forms of hardware and they are evevery bit as skilled and dedicated to this sport/hobby/PITA as any I know
So I am excited to see how it all shakes out, I hope there is not a mass exoduss of benchers as it is a bit frustrating to lose so many hard earned points, as everyone here knows the hours and the money involved....
But I have to say, I hope everyone gives it a fair chance ... and if it does end up sucking there is always rev 5
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 12:52
If not immediatly, it's bugged on the uat server.
Seems I changed league, but I am ranked 1196 of 31K
XD
Seems I changed league, but I am ranked 1196 of 31K
XD
Wow, it must be hard to realize it doesn't matter where you go; you always suck.
(:p)
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 12:55
thx :p
But I think it's because I added a pic of you on my TOP20 hardware and TOP15 Global submissions. :D
Need the magic ''recalc best submissions'' button
So for the oc league, if I understand correctly - top 15 global scores and top 20 h/w scores are used to establish rankings. So I think I have two questions.
1. Globals are given for six 2D benches (excluding cpuz now) and seven 3D benches for a total of 13 benches. Yet 15 global scores count toward the rankings. How do we get 15 to count toward our score? Must the other two be multi vga or can globals from 2D also apply. For example pcm05 4x core AND pcm05 6x core both count toward the ranking?
2. If a given global bench is used in the computation of the oc league score can that same bench (assuming it has a high h/w score) also be used for the h/w top 20?
It would be nice for pcmv to get globals, otherwise - I like what I am seeing.
So for the oc league, if I understand correctly - top 15 global scores and top 20 h/w scores are used to establish rankings. So I think I have two questions.
1. Globals are given for six 2D benches (excluding cpuz now) and seven 3D benches for a total of 13 benches. Yet 15 global scores count toward the rankings. How do we get 15 to count toward our score? Must the other two be multi vga or can globals from 2D also apply. For example pcm05 4x core AND pcm05 6x core both count toward the ranking?
2. If a given global bench is used in the computation of the oc league score can that same bench (assuming it has a high h/w score) also be used for the h/w top 20?
It would be nice for pcmv to get globals, otherwise - I like what I am seeing.
1. Yes. The engine searches through your profile and looks for the 15 most rewarding global (global+3dwr) scores. It's possible that multiple scores come from the same benchmarks, eg: 2x CPU PCMark05 and 4x CPU PCMark05. All global rankings (benchmark and cores/gpu used) can be used to contribute to your profile.
2. Yes. A global ranking is completely different from a hardware ranking. The top-20 hardware scores are, just like the global scores, taken from your personal pool of hardware submissions. It's possible that one score is contributing through global and hardware points.
1. Yes. The engine searches through your profile and looks for the 15 most rewarding global (global+3dwr) scores. It's possible that multiple scores come from the same benchmarks, eg: 2x CPU PCMark05 and 4x CPU PCMark05. All global rankings (benchmark and cores/gpu used) can be used to contribute to your profile.
2. Yes. A global ranking is completely different from a hardware ranking. The top-20 hardware scores are, just like the global scores, taken from your personal pool of hardware submissions. It's possible that one score is contributing through global and hardware points.
lol,
yes
and
yes, that was easy!
seems oc league score is bugged, still 300 point cap
http://hwbot.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=955&stc=1&d=1305120062
Q56_Monster
05-11-2011, 14:23
What's the time line for going live? Are we talking days, weeks, or longer?
Q56_Monster
05-11-2011, 14:26
seems oc league score is bugged, still 300 point cap
http://hwbot.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=955&stc=1&d=1305120062
Looks like the rankings are not capped and is calculated correctly, but that little calculation on the user profile home page is not correct. Some new math need to be coded;)
What's the time line for going live? Are we talking days, weeks, or longer?
It'll go live the day that massman is #1 in the pro league.
Linuxfan
05-11-2011, 15:32
CPU-Z gets globals now again?
http://hwbot.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=956&d=1305124372
No, I forgot to add the change to the code, so when Frederik installed a new update ... the changes didn't apply.
I suck.
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 15:37
lol globals for CPUZ are back(EDIT: massman did it wrong), but still no HWpoints for(EDIT: cause he did it wrong again ? XD):
- PCMark04
- Reference clock
- Memory clock
- PCMark Vantage
- Heaven DX9
- 3DMark 11 Performance
And I am still ranked 1196 of 31K :p
Will put myself in the Pro OC League to see if even here I am fucked -.-
coccus80
05-11-2011, 16:06
Hi all,
I wanted say a my opinion, you can put in new home page you see either in time real is voice "Professional Overclockers League" and "Overclockers League"?
Maybe one above the other...
Sorry for my bad English, i come from Italy :)
by
Coccus. ;)
Tried to put myself into the XOL (Pro league? Xtreme pro? Whatever, the top one), but while it saved it in my profile it didn't actually move me.
Mostly I just wanted to see where I'd be without having to manually find my 15 best and so on.
Tried to put myself into the XOL (Pro league? Xtreme pro? Whatever, the top one), but while it saved it in my profile it didn't actually move me.
Mostly I just wanted to see where I'd be without having to manually find my 15 best and so on.
http://uat.hwbot.org/league/pro_oc
Just updated manually. You're 21st. Out of 22.
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 16:25
http://uat.hwbot.org/league/pro_oc
Just updated manually. You're 21st. Out of 22.
I am the 22th XD
Now back to EOL, can you update it massman please :o
And next post I will be nice with you :p
sumonpathak
05-11-2011, 16:32
i will be watching you........:p
EDIT: why my join date is JAN 1970???????
am only 21:p
rofl, go me!
Guess I'll have to play in the OC league for a while :P
Ahh I see it's only globals and WR points. THat explains that.
I like that, it gives the individuals an option to compete exactly as they used to (well sortof, couldn't get globals for wp2x and wp4x before, close enough though).
I think this is going to be a positive change. My change to Pro? Not so much! I'd like to go back, in case you were feeling board. (thanks for switching me over though!)
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 16:48
EDIT: why my join date is JAN 1970???????
am only 21:p
Know bug, I am bugged too
Q56_Monster
05-11-2011, 16:55
Filter rankings pull down boxes on league page don't work. Do you want to know about these issues, massman, or are you already aware?
Filter rankings pull down boxes on league page don't work. Do you want to know about these issues, massman, or are you already aware?
Feel free to post as much feedback as you want. I'm currently reading through other forums too and collecting all the feedback.
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 17:02
Feel free to post as much feedback as you want. I'm currently reading through other forums too and collecting all the feedback.
other forums ? where ?
As promised:
Massy, you are my favourite panda ever http://www.ocaholic.ch/forum/wcf/images/smilies/love.png
PS: no dirty minds please
Turrican
05-11-2011, 17:17
other forums ? where ?
As promised:
Massy, you are my favourite panda ever http://www.ocaholic.ch/forum/wcf/images/smilies/love.png
PS: no dirty minds please
okaaay :D
Some thoughts about the pro league. I find pro league very reliefing, cause now we well sponsored overclockers have our own place in rankings, so we can not annoy the ones who have to buy everything by themselves.
I will also drop the "bench every possible test every freaking time again and again year after year" style and will focus on some important ones.
That will be huge relief for me personally. The old style of benching have been very very hard and when I have very limited resources, it was sometimes too stressful.
I will not care about the pro oc ranking anymore, cause there is nothing to achieve anymore.
So, I am happy! You should be happy as well :)
Eeky NoX
05-11-2011, 18:45
Rev4 keeps Petri with us !! Houraaaaaaaaaahh!! \o/ Keep pushing dude ;)
Massy, you are my favourite panda ever
vwcwZjTouhc
:D
Khemikal796
05-11-2011, 19:26
Is there a way to force rank recalculations? My ranks are all wacky. I've tried moving myself out of Enthusiast league and then back without any luck.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3656/rev4rankswrong.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/151/rev4rankswrong.jpg/)
IMHO i'd be happier seeing Unigine DX9 getting no points and i'd love CPU-Z to get global points back :)
3DMark11... not fussed which (one) preset gets points, but I hope it is deemed ready for points at some stage soon :)
RAM and Reference clocks... hardware points is ok :)
+1 totally agree with keny :) , Rev.4 its looking very good.
Electroneng
05-11-2011, 20:15
R4 not only punishes hardware sharing, but also legitimate similarities.
New and exciting hardware (2500k, 2600k) will have a lot of benchers on a team. Why devalue scores because a team has a lot of them. Large teams will suffer greatly.
Up and coming overclockers will be disillusioned because there scores are not contributing to the team so they will quit.
HWBOT will become stagnate and decline with this new revision.
Most of the positive responses here are from highly experienced elite overclockers. They will become more elite as new entries into team competition will become a thing of the past!
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 20:17
ctrl + clic doesn't work for:
http://uat.hwbot.org/user/christian_ney/#My_Submissions
and
http://uat.hwbot.org/user/christian_ney/#Points
Fyi, these are the benchmarks that did not have any points before, but which have hardware points enabled on the test server:
- PCMark04
- Reference clock
- Memory clock
- PCMark Vantage
- Heaven DX9
- 3DMark 11 Performance
Just for testing.
Still no hw points enabled -.-
Total Hardware points is missed on our profile, only way to know it is to browse the hardware masters league till our nickname -.-
Would be nice to have in the hardware library just in front of the name of the hardware something like ''results'' (our submissions with the hardware in question), not just the hardware name and when we clic it we just have the global ranking.
Seems I did something with a 8900 GS and I don't have it -.-' want to know which submission I made with.
magic ''recalc best submissions'' button is missed
recalc rank and point button is missed
delete result is missed (afaik it's normal)
report submission is missed
entry modification log button is missed
hardware specs are missed
benchmaks (browse benchmarks)
Graphic Cards specs are missed even the tab. like now
CPU specs are partially missed, there is the tab and core name
ctrl+clic on the hwbot logo doesn't work
the beta server here is still in french even if my account is set to english for the language.
It's written MSI GIGABYTE ADATA, but it lacks GEIL ?
Eeky NoX
05-11-2011, 20:37
Agree with your list Chris.
Seems to be issues with filters : Hardware Masters League's Filter rankings don't work :/
Btw another filter by team would be nice because I don't see all hw pts even in the personal profile...
Edit: The submissions page area is awefull... scroll, scroll and scroll again :'( It was better by list...
Mandatory field "*" missing in the submission sheats
knopflerbruce
05-11-2011, 20:38
R4 not only punishes hardware sharing, but also legitimate similarities.
New and exciting hardware (2500k, 2600k) will have a lot of benchers on a team. Why devalue scores because a team has a lot of them. Large teams will suffer greatly.
Up and coming overclockers will be disillusioned because there scores are not contributing to the team so they will quit.
HWBOT will become stagnate and decline with this new revision.
Most of the positive responses here are from highly experienced elite overclockers. They will become more elite as new entries into team competition will become a thing of the past!
Well, you can always look at it from a different perspective: is it right that a team should be top 10 only because of the number of users, and less because they produce great results?
With the new rev it's important for a team to make sure the members run different stuff, this is very different from what it's like now - but people WILL get used to it. Plus, boints still count 100% for your personal total, that part hasn't been changed.
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 20:44
is it right that a team should be top 10 only because of the number of users, and less because they produce great results?
This: +10'000'000 ;)
Totally agree
New and exciting hardware (2500k, 2600k) will have a lot of benchers on a team. Why devalue scores because a team has a lot of them. Large teams will suffer greatly.
You see it wrong!
1. Smaller teams get a chance finally!
2. Big teams can organize attacks on certain rankings where they have no good scores until now
3. cheap and older hardware get's more attractive, also different hardware - I don't see anything negative in that :confused:
Up and coming overclockers will be disillusioned because there scores are not contributing to the team so they will quit.
Overclocking is not really a "team-sport" imo - back in the early days everyone was doing it for their own fun. Sure you have friends which can help you a lot and it is nice to see the team at a top-spot but personally I bench for myself in the first place to compete one-on-one with others. The team-ranking is just a "side-product" for me.
I don't think anybody will quit just because he can't help the team - that is bs - if you like overclocking, you like it for your own purpose!
Most of the positive responses here are from highly experienced elite overclockers. They will become more elite as new entries into team competition will become a thing of the past!
Well the positive response from these guys comes for another reason: rev4 targets the wishes and long-term motivations of guys that have been doing it for years. It brings (back) a lot things into the rankings why people actually have done overclocking for years - global scores together with reward on breaking top scores in popular hardware-classes. Honestly there was nothing I could agree with you in your post :(
It depends on what level you're at, we at Team OCF have gained a ton of members in the last six months because we are a team, and because people can overclock like they enjoy doing, and help us dominate at HWBot.
It's a rather different world further down the ranks than it is at the top I think.
We're more of a team then a collection of individuals.
FYI, although the theoretical balance between powerteam and user contribution to the team total is 10/1, in practice we noticed that it's pretty much 5/5. This means that it's not enough to just have a team with great amount of benchers covering a lot of bases, you'll also need benchers who can hit the high ranks. Both in powerteam global, powerteam hardware, but most certainly also in the user rankings.
Fyi, having a lot of 2600K submissions isn't completely pointless. It's just that every user contribution that is not the best of the team in that specific ranking has 1/10th of the effect that it has today. Keep in mind, however, that the more benchmarks that are applicable for points, the more points you can gather with a single setup. For instance, with the 2600K a user could get hardware points in 7 processor benchmark rankings of R3, but with the recently added benchmarks in R3, that will be 10 benchmarks.
It will become more clear once we can clearly show how scores and users are contributing to the team exacly in practice.
It depends on what level you're at, we at Team OCF have gained a ton of members in the last six months because we are a team, and because people can overclock like they enjoy doing, and help us dominate at HWBot.
It's a rather different world further down the ranks than it is at the top I think.
We're more of a team then a collection of individuals.
This is only my opinion and I want to be honest: If you see things like that - you have not the right motivation behind overclocking! it is about bringing hardware to it's limit, nailing a first place (global or in a certain hardware class) after days / weeks of work but benching just for the team ranking - I can't understand that.
When I started overclocking 10 years ago there wasn't teams at all and we all had maybe the best times of our life. You seem to take team-ranking WAY TO SERIOUS guys!
Eeky NoX
05-11-2011, 22:19
I'd like to see the total of hardware points in the personal page... not only the best scores total ;)
Mr.Scott
05-11-2011, 22:19
Im sorry Mr Scott but it isnt just about a hobby anymore. Its about a competitive sport, the very existance of hwbot makes it so.
Ridiculous. It's far from a sport. Competitive hobby maybe. All I was saying was, when it stops being fun it's time to quit, and not to be so consumed with points that are worth nothing more that to make your e-peen larger or a chance to get some free hardware to bench. Because really, when it comes right down to it, that's all the points are good for.
Ridiculous. It's far from a sport. Competitive hobby maybe. All I was saying was, when it stops being fun it's time to quit, and not to be so consumed with points that are worth nothing more that to make your e-peen larger or a chance to get some free hardware to bench. Because really, when it comes right down to it, that's all the points are good for.
So true - people seem to forget about the roots of overclocking sometimes :(
Eeky NoX
05-11-2011, 22:30
You're right both but it ain't a debate on Ocing phylosophy in here... we all play together at last ;)
Dominating at HWBot is fun though, on a personal level and on a team level.
I'd still bench dry ice without any kind of rankings, but being able to compete at it makes it even better.
I use the team mostly as a way to get more people into benching, every new person that shows up is a new way of looking at things that might uncover a SuperTweak.
The new team ranks are all about the amount of dedicated people who are ready to search for and grind the popular old stuff, not just a bunch of peeps benching whatever they are comfortable with.
Makes the competition more interesting for teams which are ready to step up, but way less interesting for those that aren't.
EDIT: Nice to see the globals for CPU-Z back on the current testserver. Not that I care much about globals - it's just that breaking raw MHz barriers is what was and is causing the most attention in 2D benchmarks.
Christian Ney
05-11-2011, 22:54
EDIT: Nice to see the globals for CPU-Z back on the current testserver.
It's Massman's mistake ;)
massman doesn't make mistakes.
Hondacity
05-11-2011, 23:35
thanks Jesus for massman not making mistakes... its a Godly gift
stummerwinter
05-12-2011, 06:24
massman doesn't make mistakes.
Is Massman = Chuck Norris?
:D
Let's see, how the split works in real life and then wait for Rev. 5...;)
Brian y.
05-12-2011, 06:33
EDIT: Nice to see the globals for CPU-Z back on the current testserver. Not that I care much about globals - it's just that breaking raw MHz barriers is what was and is causing the most attention in 2D benchmarks.+1
shame that something that "used" to be such a big achievement has been dropped.
Raw MHz ftw:cool:
sumonpathak
05-12-2011, 07:45
well maybe it has been asked before....but here goes......will we get points for motherboard refclock?? if not then why?
ScunnyUK
05-12-2011, 09:49
Ridiculous. It's far from a sport. Competitive hobby maybe. All I was saying was, when it stops being fun it's time to quit, and not to be so consumed with points that are worth nothing more that to make your e-peen larger or a chance to get some free hardware to bench. Because really, when it comes right down to it, that's all the points are good for.
So true - people seem to forget about the roots of overclocking sometimes :(
First off, if hwbot wasnt here, if there was no ranking system I would still be benchin for love of it and as a hobby. Nobody is fogetting anything here.
You can call it a competitive hobby if you like but I'll call it a sport because like most sports we have teams, leagues and rankings thanks to hwbot. I think its fair to say that many things can be both a sport and a hobby at the same time ;)
Because hwbot brings the competition with these teams, leagues and rankings then the most important thing becomes (legitamatly) earning the points for you and/or your team to do well. Doing well isnt just about the E-Peen, but if you do - do well then you are entitled to the braggin rights :p
Being part of a team means aiming for somthing more than just personal gain. It means you want to help the team and contribute towards the end goal. It also means you want to see the team as whole do well and not just a couple of the highest contributers within the team. Anybody who can not grasp the meaning of this shouldnt be part of a team at all.
Electroneng
05-12-2011, 13:41
Being Part of a team makes the enjoyment so much greater as a bencher. I can deal with the REV4 system as an individual user and will be successful as such. I also will be successful in future additions to my team totals as I have invested in the necessary equipment to do so but this is not about me!
I get a lot of joy out of my endeavors here and would like the sport/hobby to grow and be successful into the future. How many overclockers begin with superb hardware and Cooling? Alot of teams now will take these individuals as members and aid in there growth. The new members will be encouraged by their score additions to the team totals and be motivated to improve.
How many new benchers will be motivated to continue when their point totals only count 1/10? I would not have in the beginning and I am sure I am in the majority.
As I have stated, the majority of the positive replies to the new system comes from highly experienced individuals. The thoughts of hobby growth being the furthest thing from their minds.
Team competition will evolve into this with this revision. All teams will become by invitation only(send us your resume and we will consider you). I know some of the top teams are this way now and that is fine but not everyone wants to be this way.
The positive responders will get there wish from this! The death of the large team and the stagnation of the hobby.
I want participate on Enthusiast League , on my profile I selected it , save changes , exit , and dont changes ?
What happends ?
How much time for aplicated changes on profile ?
If it's posible , I want change and participate on Enthusiast League , Thank's ! ;)
Please , some moderator can be help me.
Regards ! ;)
Why do you people taking the beta so serious for now? Can't wait for final version, when everything would be updated few sec after you select something or post score? Just wait for next update and you'll see yourself in other league. Relax and wait for final version. Until then, report bugs if you see some :)
Christian Ney
05-12-2011, 19:07
Done on my side :p
http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=112530&postcount=225
Leeghoofd
05-12-2011, 20:16
Being Part of a team makes the enjoyment so much greater as a bencher. I can deal with the REV4 system as an individual user and will be successful as ....
The positive responders will get there wish from this! The death of the large team and the stagnation of the hobby.
Didn't everybody say the same of ReV3 ? And now everybody loves it... this ain't an overnite change... some people have been having restless nites, weeks , months about this rev...
Even if you don't like it, too bad it's gonna come anyway... It's either adapt or suck it up like it happens in real life...
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