Crew Leeghoofd Posted May 16, 2011 Crew Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) Is Gigabyte stealing my Mhz ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Catchy title hu ? Well what's the deal : I was testing Gigabytes latest Z68 UD3H board and did some tests at 4.5Ghz. But for the database I also test the boards out of the box with the 2600K CPU at stock speeds. Only thing that I alter in the bios is : - Set the ram divider to 1600Mhz and the ram timing to 8-8-8-24 1T TRFC 82 - Up ram voltage to 1.65 (if possible) My setup : stock retail 2600K, HT on Thermalright VenomousX cooler 4GB Corsair Dominator 12800C8 rams GTX 480 Videocard Corsair AX1200W PSU So what happens with a proper functioning 2600K : When being stressed single threaded : it should go up to a max of 38... What happens on my B3 UD5 and the Z68 : I get max multi of 35X If I pop in the Asus and MSI board : I get 38X I have flashed all possible (beta) biosses, popped the battery after a succesfull flash... But both the UD5 and UD3H seem to limit at 35X. Tried a Win7 and Win7 with SP1 install. So if anyone has got a B3 motherboard, would you run it once at stock clocks with your 2600K and open the Turbo monitor tool. Then start a Superpi 32M... plz list me which Turbo multi you observe... If you get 38X, plz post ya bios screens or PM them to me.. I tried all sorts of combos , but it always stops at 35X single threaded... I already contacted my tech rep, but it might take a while... so it would be nice to see if other users have similar issues at stock clocks (yeah I know this is XS and noone runs stock) but this is a serious bios flaw and has to be urgently corrected ! Kind regards Goofball Leeghoofd This one is for all the reviewers that crapped out, sold out and give awards for free !! And test close to nothing lol Edited May 20, 2011 by Leeghoofd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 any power saving options in the bios ? Or weird settings ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaPaKaH Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Are you using BIOS profiles made with non-K cpus ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted May 17, 2011 Author Crew Share Posted May 17, 2011 Nope , it did it out of the box with the retail 2600K CPU, only settings changed are the ram speed divider, the main timings (as it detects 9-9-9-27 1T) and the ram voltage... Both my P67A UD5 B3 and the Z68 UD3H behave in a similar way when being loaded single threaded... Both boards have been flashed over 5 times with newer (beta) biosses, cmoss resetted , heck even popped the battery for 15 minutes... no go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted May 19, 2011 Author Crew Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) Some more testing with the Gskill Flares : seems the only correct working divider is 1333Mhz. 1600-2133 stop at 3500Mhz Conclusion : Dino fails Total Failing scores : Leeghoofd 10 - 1 Dino Edited May 20, 2011 by Leeghoofd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBR Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 yes, ive seen this bug at my first sandys review. Asus and MSI has not this problem, MSI has problem with 2133 mem multi, but Turbo is working well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted May 19, 2011 Author Crew Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) It seems GB implemented the AUTO bios setting for the C states from 1600Mhz divider to disabled. Only 1066 and 1333 will be enabled if AUTO is selected. This to enhance ram compatibility (they say). The bios engineers spotted the issue quite rapdily ( as they themselves implemented it ofc lol) Solution is to either force it manually or that they change it in the bios... My point is that the normal end user is not required to change this stuff as this should work properly out of the box... enahncing stability okay, but at the cost of 200-300mhz seems an awkward workaround... But thanks Dino for the ahum Live support Edited May 20, 2011 by Leeghoofd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted May 19, 2011 Author Crew Share Posted May 19, 2011 And it's not over yet Did the basic suite, some impressive numbers Asus P67 Dlx vs GB Z68 UD3H Wprime 1024 : 202 secs vs 214 Cinebench : 25126 vs 22802 PcMark05: 14212 vs 12221 Vantage : 20479 vs 19957 Gonna hook up the M4E to the same OS, either it is completely borked now or the Turbo is still somehow somewhere limited... Running OC'ed I get similar numbers than the other boards... it's just at stock that it goes completely nuts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsey99 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 could it be because the 2600k only offically supports 1333 ram, and if anybody has the know how to set up their ram over that speed they would not be running that chip at stock anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiller Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 that's a good point acctually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted May 20, 2011 Author Crew Share Posted May 20, 2011 could it be because the 2600k only offically supports 1333 ram, and if anybody has the know how to set up their ram over that speed they would not be running that chip at stock anyway? So why do all the other vendors support 1600-1866 and even 2133 with full turbos... Got a new beta bios to try out, will report back to see if it performs as it should without manual intervention... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted May 20, 2011 Author Crew Share Posted May 20, 2011 could it be because the 2600k only offically supports 1333 ram, and if anybody has the know how to set up their ram over that speed they would not be running that chip at stock anyway? So why do all the other vendors support 1600-1866 and even 2133 with full turbos ? Why limit the Trubo speed of your CPU when you use 1600mhz ? Got a new beta bios to try out, will report back to see if it performs as it should without manual intervention... This one is for all the reviewers that crapped out, sold out and give awards for free !! And test close to nothing lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 This one is for all the reviewers that crapped out, sold out and give awards for free !! And test close to nothing lol Quoting this because it's true. FFS, it's a (small) bug on stock settings. How come no other reviewer caught this. People need to step up their game ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemto Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Easily explained: Start If user:=Leeghoofd then run program 'limit multi to 35' End Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Gappo Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 So why do all the other vendors support 1600-1866 and even 2133 with full turbos ? Why limit the Trubo speed of your CPU when you use 1600mhz ? Got a new beta bios to try out, will report back to see if it performs as it should without manual intervention... This one is for all the reviewers that crapped out, sold out and give awards for free !! And test close to nothing lol So true. Concerning for non K users. I guess they won't be reaching full speed any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbrennan2008 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) Yea it's the same for me, but i thought it was normal as the 2x00k will only goto the max turbo frequency when only one thread is loaded ? When all 4/8 threads are loaded it will use a x35 multiplier. If i've misunderstood then i want a BIOS update! Either way though, i never see it clock higher than 3500Mhz (I run at stock apart from when benchmarking) Edited May 20, 2011 by jackbrennan2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted May 20, 2011 Author Crew Share Posted May 20, 2011 Got a new bios from GB (excellent job lads), Turbo issues seem to be solved... will ask if I'm allowed to share.... Let's hope they rectify the situation for the UD5 B3 too... (and other boards if needed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbrennan2008 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Got a new bios from GB (excellent job lads), Turbo issues seem to be solved... will ask if I'm allowed to share.... Let's hope they rectify the situation for the UD5 B3 too... (and other boards if needed) Good to hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Good to hear the board is still ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hondacity Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 wow gigabyte made something fast.... what about the vdimm 1.67v? is it selectable now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBR Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 And it's not over yet Did the basic suite, some impressive numbers Asus P67 Dlx vs GB Z68 UD3H Wprime 1024 : 202 secs vs 214 Cinebench : 25126 vs 22802 PcMark05: 14212 vs 12221 Vantage : 20479 vs 19957 Gonna hook up the M4E to the same OS, either it is completely borked now or the Turbo is still somehow somewhere limited... Running OC'ed I get similar numbers than the other boards... it's just at stock that it goes completely nuts... Yes, it known bug of ASUS boards .... because their implemented Turbo by the own way. On Asus board @ default are ALL cores at 3.8 GHz ... you have to disable that feature at first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME4ME Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 nice they delivered a fix. But for the people who actually run default settings and are effected by this shortcomming, it's useless. It only helps for them when the board is shipped with a bios that's correct right from the beginning. People who run auto settings don't upgrades bios'es. btw nice spotted Albrecht Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanCutress Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 I had a similar situation on a few boards... Try setting the affinity of the prog to one core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinos22 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Got a new bios from GB (excellent job lads), Turbo issues seem to be solved... will ask if I'm allowed to share.... Let's hope they rectify the situation for the UD5 B3 too... (and other boards if needed) what do you mean, same sort of thing for UD5? P67A? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamer Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Yes, it has the same issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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