Christian Ney Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Today we had a lot of PCMark05 results reported due to ''high or impossible transparent windows score'' Can the PCMark05 Masters tell us how to know if the transparent windows is suitable or not, your help is much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Turrican Posted July 10, 2011 Crew Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) windows vista\server 2008 gives much higher transparent scores than windows 7. i always use it becuase of this. stelares wrote me also a pm about this. Edited July 10, 2011 by Turrican Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) much higher, do you have an Order of magnitude (scale) ? btw it's Stelaras Edited July 10, 2011 by Christian Ney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelaras Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) I was looking the pcmark scores and found some results that have high transparent windows at win7 . Transparent scales with cpu clocks . It's like a cpu benchmark . For example ... 1st) http://hwbot.org/submission/2160869_omega3_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_35882_marks 11000 transparent , win7 , 2600k @ 5300 . 2nd) http://hwbot.org/submission/2178436_s_a_v_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_35748_marks 10800 transparent , win7x64 , 2600k @ 5500 . 3rd) http://hwbot.org/submission/2160841_gyrock_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_34673_marks 10800 transparent , win7x64 , 2600k @ 5300 . 4th) http://hwbot.org/submission/2165869_yancyan_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_33136_marks 10800 transparent , win7 , 2600k @ 5500 . 5th) http://hwbot.org/submission/2142160_s_a_v_pcmark_2005_core_i5_2500k_34344_marks 12800 transparent , win7 , 2500k @ 5400 . 6th) http://hwbot.org/submission/2142470_s_a_v_pcmark_2005_core_i5_2500_27719_marks 9600 transparent , win7 , 2500 @ 4070 . Normal scores for these clocks would and win7 would be around 7000-8500 , from my experience . You can find many pcmark results with similar transparent score . I have never seen any higher score than 8800 even at 5700 Mhz 2600K at win7 . Also , regarding vista . It seems that you can get a score around 16000 to 19000 . How is possible to get 31000 ??? http://hwbot.org/submission/2128177_steponz_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_37340_marks/ This is with 980x ... http://hwbot.org/submission/1040000_vento1_pcmark_2005_core_i7_extreme_980x_32970_marks 35000 marks with 5200 Mhz 980x Also very high with 6core ... http://hwbot.org/submission/2139248_s_a_v_pcmark_2005_xeon_x5667_6_cores_31247_marks 10800 at 4850 mhz ... I'm not saying that all these users above are cheaters ! The high transparent score is just something that is bothering me and my teammates a long time now . We have tried various tweaks etc with no real gain . Edited July 10, 2011 by Stelaras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) You said that Transparent windows test scales with cpu clocks, with windows xp yes, but with windows vista & 7 if Aero is enabled then it scales with the graphics card and no more the cpu afaik Edited July 10, 2011 by Christian Ney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelaras Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 No , it still scales with cpu even with aero . The gain with higher gpu clocks is very little . I have tested it many times . Vista and 2008 server is faster . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_A_V Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Good Transparent Windows run is 13к for Win7 (2600K@5600MHz) and 16.5k on Win8 (2600K@5300MHz). "Vista > Win8 > Win7" for Transparent Windows subtest but overall score is "Win8 > Win7 > Vista". Transparent Windows is not only one "tweakable" pcmark05 subtest. There is some other scores with "anomalies": Virus Scan: http://hwbot.org/submission/2130814_freakezoit_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_37031_marks http://hwbot.org/submission/2129940_freakezoit_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_36991_marks 2000+ MB/s with "only" two iRAM's? It's two scores with different settings, so it seems repeatable and may not bugged. But I don't see anyone close to this in whole top20... Web Page Rendering: most people got 21-22 pages/s with IE9 and Win7, but there is also scores with 26-32 pages/s. 26 pages/s (subzero): http://hwbot.org/submission/2186476_subzero_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_42059_marks 32 pages/s (pro): http://hwbot.org/submission/2188240_pro_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_43116_marks'>http://hwbot.org/submission/2188240_pro_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_43116_marks I can get so high only with Win8, but not with Win7. Video Encoding: 1xxx MB/s without WMV PowerToy (or directly editing registry setting) and 2xxx MB/s with it. 3990 MB/s (pro): http://hwbot.org/submission/2188240_pro_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_43116_marks 3D Pixel Shader: 3xxx untweaked and 4xxx tweaked. Already discussed here: http://www.hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=26580&highlight=Pixel+Shader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I made a similar thread, didnt see this one Persoanlly, I feel that we should say "anything goes" or remove at least globals from this benchmark, it seems like veryone has their own opinion on how the benchmark works, and a LOT of the scores are all over the place when you look at subtests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) we said no points for maxxmem because too bugged...... Sorry but I see PCMark05 much more bugged than maxxmem. And with maxxmem its easy to see if its bugged I say bugged, but it can be some really good/legit/hardcore tweak too... But how to know S_A_V is right everywhere as I know he ran a lot of pcmark05 and know a lot about btw 13k for transparent wondows I sux, I have only 6k Edited July 10, 2011 by Christian Ney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelaras Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) Good Transparent Windows run is 13к for Win7 (2600K@5600MHz) and 16.5k on Win8 (2600K@5300MHz)."Vista > Win8 > Win7" for Transparent Windows subtest but overall score is "Win8 > Win7 > Vista". Transparent Windows is not only one "tweakable" pcmark05 subtest. There is some other scores with "anomalies": Virus Scan: http://hwbot.org/submission/2130814_freakezoit_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_37031_marks http://hwbot.org/submission/2129940_freakezoit_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_36991_marks 2000+ MB/s with "only" two iRAM's? It's two scores with different settings, so it seems repeatable and may not bugged. But I don't see anyone close to this in whole top20... Web Page Rendering: most people got 21-22 pages/s with IE9 and Win7, but there is also scores with 26-32 pages/s. 26 pages/s (subzero): http://hwbot.org/submission/2186476_subzero_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_42059_marks 32 pages/s (pro): http://hwbot.org/submission/2188240_pro_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_43116_marks'>http://hwbot.org/submission/2188240_pro_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_43116_marks I can get so high only with Win8, but not with Win7. Video Encoding: 1xxx MB/s without WMV PowerToy (or directly editing registry setting) and 2xxx MB/s with it. 3990 MB/s (pro): http://hwbot.org/submission/2188240_pro_pcmark_2005_core_i7_2600k_43116_marks 3D Pixel Shader: 3xxx untweaked and 4xxx tweaked. Already discussed here: http://www.hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=26580&highlight=Pixel+Shader What i can tell about the latest video encoding boost that people saw a few months ago is that all it does is to use all the CPU cores . How to do this ? Simply install the latest Pcmark05 1.2.2 build from futuremark (it appears as 1.2 but it's 1.2.2. in reality) ... and after that install a newer Futuremark Systeminfo (V3.6 or V4) . After that your video encoding speed will go up from 2XXX to 3600 . About the transparent i haven't found any way to give it a boost. I'm stuck at 8000-9000 at 5700Mhz 2600K . I have played with registry settings .... Blur , Alpha blend , Aero tweaks etc . I just have a feeling that it's something with the 3d acceleration . 3D pixel shader needs LOD , gpu clocks ... and direct3doverrider with triple buffer enabled and vsync disabled . That virus scan you found is way too high for sure . Web page rendering needs to close all the IE addons and play with some advanced settings . If i remember something else , i'll post it . I made a similar thread, didnt see this one Persoanlly, I feel that we should say "anything goes" or remove at least globals from this benchmark, it seems like veryone has their own opinion on how the benchmark works, and a LOT of the scores are all over the place when you look at subtests. Agree 100% . Edited July 10, 2011 by Stelaras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Subscribed to see where this goes, as Mr.Paco was stripped of a WR for the exact same reasons. Is it bugged or not bugged, make up your minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 Well Mr.Paco's one was sure bugged unfortunately He proved himself with the video and the screenshots he provided us. Bugs are part of the life, sometimes the bug is evident, but sometimes not, thats why he posted the 18k score and not the 25k one, he is honest. Btw he hasnt posted the 13-15k score that seemed to be not bugged at all, I hope he is not sulking (dont know the right word, sorry) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Well Mr.Paco's one was sure bugged unfortunately Based on the above info, I'm not so sure, and based on some of the other staff's input, I'm thinking they're not so sure either. Btw he hasnt posted the 13-15k score that seemed to be not bugged at all, I hope he is not sulking (dont know the right word, sorry) Nope. Sulking isn't his style. Just busy with other things right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Turrican Posted July 11, 2011 Crew Share Posted July 11, 2011 based on the different runs he got, his scores were bugged for sure. but that is not the topic here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) based on the different runs he got, his scores were bugged for sure.but that is not the topic here... It is most certainly relevant to the topic. The topic pertains to complaints of abnormally high transparent windows and encoding/virus scan scores. Same complaint that Frank's run was marked bugged for. Nevermind. I'm talking to a wall here. Good luck men. Edited July 11, 2011 by Mr.Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Antinomy Posted July 12, 2011 Crew Share Posted July 12, 2011 So now we get to PCM again I suggest to make full subtest details mandatory. For example, two screenshots with the upper and lower parts. Stelaras, as I remember, the video encoder's registry entries allowed to set the number of cores being used. Maybe the 1.2.2 build does the same? Did you try to run the integrated Vista performance test to see what happens with Transparent windows score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chispy Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 (edited) So now we get to PCM again I suggest to make full subtest details mandatory. For example, two screenshots with the upper and lower parts. + 1 I agree 100% with this, make full subtest details mandatory + FM Orb Link on every submision. Edited July 13, 2011 by chispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluvocio Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 + 1 I agree 100% with this, make full subtest details mandatory + FM Orb Link on every submision. i've done so my last bench. now I've done 38k, but I can't do validate. Is Powertoy allowed ? if it is, I can do over 5000 in video encoding Another question... for XP startup i'm getting crazy every time to brake acards. How can I switch disks during the test ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_A_V Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How can I switch disks during the test ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Oh well that's just great... I need an electronics degree to put a zombie card on my gpu I need a special contact at intel/amd to get that super binned cpu I need a special contact at asus/gigabyte/msi/evga to get that super binned video card I need a special contact at asus/gigabyte/msi/evga to get that special overclocking software I need a special contact at asus/gigabyte/msi/evga to get that special bios I need a special contact at the local prax air to get that discount on LN2 and if that's not enough, I need degree in programing .... or will HWBOT soon offer an online registry hacking class for a reasonable fee? Nope, you'll be on your own unless you're in the loop. You're welcome to hang with CP though, we're not in the loop either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Oh well that's just great... I need an electronics degree to put a zombie card on my gpu I need a special contact at intel/amd to get that super binned cpu I need a special contact at asus/gigabyte/msi/evga to get that super binned video card I need a special contact at asus/gigabyte/msi/evga to get that special overclocking software I need a special contact at asus/gigabyte/msi/evga to get that special bios I need a special contact at the local prax air to get that discount on LN2 and if that's not enough, I need degree in programing .... or will HWBOT soon offer an online registry hacking class for a reasonable fee? Do you need a special licence for all the whining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 That's what you said last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelaras Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 So now we get to PCM again I suggest to make full subtest details mandatory. For example, two screenshots with the upper and lower parts. Stelaras, as I remember, the video encoder's registry entries allowed to set the number of cores being used. Maybe the 1.2.2 build does the same? Did you try to run the integrated Vista performance test to see what happens with Transparent windows score? Just an update ... It's been a few days since i logged in here and i'm trying to catch up . I found the "tweak" by myself . It's nothing special . Clean and totally legit . It gives a transparent score around 13000 at win7 . Don't know about vista , but i suspect around 30000 possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluvocio Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subst Thank you very much. I searched commands in my languge to make it me easyer. i've done subst, but when I open PCmark, pcmark doesn't read the subst letter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelaras Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 As i'm pretty sure many people want to know , here is the tranparent tweak i found a week ago ... This one gives a pretty nice boost to 12K + . You just have to move the mouse while running transparent test. Try to find the optimal speed . You don't have to move it all through the run . Sometimes moving it for a few secs is what needed . I found ikt accidentaly while browsing with my 2nd PC . I share the same mousepad and i accidentaly moved the bench rig mouse while browsing with the 2nd . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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