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This is the reason why I've been trying to figure out if Bulldozer is somewhat competitive in 3DMark11. Turns out a Thuban will suffice ... :-P
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http://www.overclex.net/news/hwbot-lance-une-competition-pr-pays/
http://www.erodov.com/forums/hwbot-cup-2011-a/47044.html
http://forum.zwame.pt/showthread.php?t=685090&p=8314841#post8314841
http://www.teamhardwarevzla.com/foros/viewtopic.php?p=75294
http://www.criminalcafe.com/showthread.php?5330-HWBot-Country-Cup-2011-T%F3pico-de-discuss%E3o&
http://www.ocfreaks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247
http://www.ocaholic.ch/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3853
http://forum.overbr.com.br/showthread.php?t=44567
http://ocforum.pl/64-extreme-overclocking/hwbot-country-cup-2011-a-38787/
http://forum.lab501.ro/showthread.php?t=5746
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/overclocking-tweaking-benchmarking/48176-hwbot-country-cup-2011-kicks-off-november-19th.html
http://www.benchtec.co.uk/forums/threads/8880-HWBOT-Country-Cup-2011-Kicks-off-November-19th!
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f22/get-ready-hwbot-country-cup-2011-kicks-off-november-19th-81500/
http://www.below0.co.za/index.php/item/drweez/time-to-shine-south-africa-the-hwbot-country-cup-2011-kicks-off-on-november19th.html
http://forum.overclock3d.net/index.php?/topic/39181-get-ready-for-hwbot-country-cup-2011-kicks-off-november-19th/
http://klan-oc.fr/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=142
http://forum.pcproject.com.br/hwbot-country-cup-2011-topico-de-discussao/14670
http://www.thelab.gr/eidiseis/get-ready-hwbot-country-cup-2011-kicks-101642.html
Hondacity
11-08-2011, 19:18
Happy Holidays lol
Christian Ney
11-08-2011, 19:22
Winter Xtreme Air Cooling @ Night with stars tweak
Leeghoofd
11-08-2011, 19:53
How is belgium ever gonna get 5 scores together : This proves Massman is really french
Christian Ney
11-08-2011, 20:06
How is belgium ever gonna get 5 scores together : This proves Massman is really french
what about switzerland ?
There is only 4 active benchers :D
How is belgium ever gonna get 5 scores together : This proves Massman is really french
Massman, Pt1t, Gamer, Leeghoofd, Teemto, Chiller, Cornerjack, ...
I.nfraR.ed
11-08-2011, 20:20
Can I add additional rule?
- HWBOT staff is not allowed to participate :p
Anyone agree? Raise your hand.
- HWBOT staff is not allowed to participate :pThen Belgium's out .. all of it.
but seriously, I don't think it'd be fair for men who thought of the challenges to participate in a very time-limited contest as additional information on what stage X is going to be gives them an unfair advantage
El Gappo
11-08-2011, 21:10
Those dates right? 19th of nov till 30th of dec for stage 1?
Yeah.. Staff should never compete imo. We never let staff play on OCN, could rig the comp :p
Hondacity
11-08-2011, 21:34
Then Belgium's out .. all of it.
but seriously, I don't think it'd be fair for men who thought of the challenges to participate in a very time-limited contest as additional information on what stage X is going to be gives them an unfair advantage
look ... massman says even the thuban competes? lol
researched already...
team.belgium for sure will be team.tones? sponsored country ?
edit: jk :P
men who thought of the challenges
Not men. Man ... :p
Diabolo 80
11-08-2011, 21:48
Stage II it's a Lightning time ;) I have a good one :)
Christian Ney
11-08-2011, 22:02
Not men. Man ... :p
Yeah he kept every info for him, other men of the Staff did not know about this challenge before
Level 3 1 user, 1 score. Is only valid the 1st score uploaded? Or can be replaced at any time during the competition.
Looks awesome :)
The ranking will update automatically. So, if you post 1000p score the first day and a 20k score the last day, the 20k score will count.
xoqolatl
11-09-2011, 00:40
MultiGPU is allowed in last stage?
I think rules r 2 "easy" for Holidays and because of this lot of ppl will participate .... altleast Belguim. Now serious, this competition will not acumulate more ppl with current rules.
I'm game, looking back I think I have hardware for every bench too.
Hondacity
11-09-2011, 06:03
nice to have redmax on the US team
wooooooo
CornerJack
11-09-2011, 08:47
Go Go Belgium :)
OK , i will do that effort for my country :D
MultiGPU is allowed in last stage?
AMD 3D11 stage is full-out. That's why only one person per country needs to set a score and has 40 days for it :)
I.nfraR.ed
11-09-2011, 13:47
And it's still tough to do here. A lot of money involved and too hard without sponsors.
OLDcomer
11-09-2011, 14:16
I miss a stage with hardware limitation: ATI 5xxx which is very popular among bitcoin nerds.
This competition is more mainstream oriented than the other 2. I really liked the first one to be honest, not sure if we will participate
More mainstream?
I was worried at first that I made it too extreme ... :p
OLDcomer
11-09-2011, 14:51
A bunch of SSD drives bundled with some fancy ARECA controller card or a bunch of GTX580/HD6990 are mainstream? Wow!
NoM$_YesLinux
11-09-2011, 15:18
Stage VI says 1/2/4/6/8 CPU's, so that mean we can use servers with multiple sockets in this stage?
Stage VI says 1/2/4/6/8 CPU's, so that mean we can use servers with multiple sockets in this stage?
Stage VI requires you to run 1 score with a 1, 2, 4, 6 and 8xCPU (cores). How you accomplish this is upto you. You can:
- run an eight-core server CPU
- unlock a dual core to quad core
- run a dual quad core setup
- ...
(ps: 8xCPU does not mean you need to run a setup with 8 CPUs)
I.nfraR.ed
11-09-2011, 15:38
And what is considered as a quad core? X4 955 and 2500K or 2600K? Maybe three of them. I see "effective cores", but can't assimilate that. Same for X1, X2 and X6.
Unlocking is allowed, but what about switching off cores? I guess not.
Same rules count as in the normal rankings.
- X4 955 = quad core
- 2500K = quad core
- 2600K = quad core
Demiurge
11-09-2011, 16:11
And Bulldozer counts as 8-core? What about disabling cores for Stage VI?
Bulldozer FX-8150 is an 8-core.
Disabling cores is not allowed in the normal rankings so also not allowed in the Country Cup.
Hondacity
11-09-2011, 16:30
remove the 8core :)
A bunch of SSD drives bundled with some fancy ARECA controller card or a bunch of GTX580/HD6990 are mainstream? Wow!
By mainstream I meant something different from what you understood. I see less skill needed for this competion, if you have the hardware needed or the money to buy it -> you're set :)
I.nfraR.ed
11-09-2011, 16:57
Yep, half of the stages are simply that. No SuperPi this year e.g, many will miss it.
The PCMark7 stage is probably the one which requires the most $$ to compete (as you need 3 scores). However, I think you can work around that by having a team session and combine the SSDs you have. That's just team work.
The AMD stage also requires some $$, but you only need one score per country. Surely someone in the country has 3 or 4 cards to run it with.
shouldn't the scoring be the other way around - 10pts for the stage where only one man's effort is needed and 25pts for five ?
The idea behind giving more points to stages which require less people is that it's not always easy to find 5 people with 'highly competitive' scores. So, we put more stress on the stages for which you need less quantity and more quality scores.
NeoForce
11-09-2011, 18:20
Hi all!
PJ, can you tell me - we need 5 different dualcore CPUs - e.g. Wolfdale + Conroe + Allendale + Regor + Callisto - or we need - E8600 + E8500 + E6850 + Phenom II X2 555 + Phenom II X2 560?
For the "Dual Core UCBench2011"-stage, you need 5 scores on 5 different setups with the setup defined by the cpu core.
So, Wolfdale + Conroe + Allendale + Regor + Callisto would be allowed.
is it the country you are, or country of team ?
can somebody also submit for another country?
OLDcomer
11-09-2011, 20:20
By mainstream I meant something different from what you understood. I see less skill needed for this competion, if you have the hardware needed or the money to buy it -> you're set :)
http://kroktoosh.ru/gb/s/agree.gif
is it the country you are, or country of team ?
can somebody also submit for another country?
You live in Belgium don't you ?
You defend our country don't you ?
So submit for Belgium ;)
Matose - stop giving people false hope :)
We have the hardware and the "mainstream" level is not an issue, you can never have ideeal rules. The only issue is if we have the time and if we want to do this 3rd time in a row. After all, the we proved our point twice, maybe it is time for others to win too :)
Christian Ney
11-09-2011, 23:46
Matose - stop giving people false hope :)
We have the hardware and the "mainstream" level is not an issue, you can never have ideeal rules. The only issue is if we have the time and if we want to do this 3rd time in a row. After all, the we proved our point twice, maybe it is time for others to win too :)
lol :D
Different hardware,so, can I use the same mobo for each stage? or just one mobo for each stage.
Hondacity
11-10-2011, 05:06
Matose - stop giving people false hope :)
We have the hardware and the "mainstream" level is not an issue, you can never have ideeal rules. The only issue is if we have the time and if we want to do this 3rd time in a row. After all, the we proved our point twice, maybe it is time for others to win too :)
hahhahahahhah
Matose - stop giving people false hope :)
We have the hardware and the "mainstream" level is not an issue, you can never have ideeal rules. The only issue is if we have the time and if we want to do this 3rd time in a row. After all, the we proved our point twice, maybe it is time for others to win too :)
Only in ur dream dude rofl
After all, the we proved our point twice, maybe it is time for others to win too
Only in ur dream dude rofl
So I take it you do not agree, others should not win? :)
der8auer
11-13-2011, 18:59
Very nice contest :) Looking forward to it!
Single GPU to 3DM11???
No limit on VGA card.
Hondacity
11-13-2011, 20:13
Single GPU to 3DM11???
you have to beat this, http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=33196
which is so fair lol. but i think you'll put the gpus on subzero
Dunno if this has been asked, but is a laptops CPU and GPU considered to be IGP? For example a GT550, HD6870M or similar???
you have to beat this, http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=33196
which is so fair lol. but i think you'll put the gpus on subzero
No, because:
- I don't have the background yet
- I won't have the cards for much longer
- The cards won't go on LN2
- I'm not allowed to compete anyway, i guess
:p
Dunno if this has been asked, but is a laptops CPU and GPU considered to be IGP? For example a GT550, HD6870M or similar???
They are only considered integrated if the VGA is either inside the CPU or inside the chipset.
Most laptop gpus are actually not integrated, I think.
Merged the announcement with the official thread linked to the competition.
Then Belgium's out .. all of it.
but seriously, I don't think it'd be fair for men who thought of the challenges to participate in a very time-limited contest as additional information on what stage X is going to be gives them an unfair advantage
I'll give you a compromise. I won't:
- do the AMD 3DMark11 stage
- provide a 'best' result in any of the 6 other stages
So, I'll help a bit, but won't be 'decisive' in any of the stages. Sounds good?
you have to beat this, http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=33196
which is so fair lol. but i think you'll put the gpus on subzero
Cards are gone and I just finished the competition background. The team will have to figured something else out!
der8auer
11-18-2011, 14:38
IMO Massman should still be allowed to participate for Belgium - also for the best scores. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be allowed to take part...
^I agree
Let the poor bastard play
For the early birds, download the background now (http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//background2.png)
Hondacity
11-18-2011, 17:01
lets get it ohhhnnnn!!!
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knopflerbruce
11-18-2011, 17:14
If the issue is that massman "knows" the stage details before everyone else, a simple solution is to announce stage details earlier in general - also for the monthly challenges.:)
Hondacity
11-18-2011, 17:35
If the issue is that massman "knows" the stage details before everyone else, a simple solution is to announce stage details earlier in general - also for the monthly challenges.:)
thats what i've said. even RB is suggesting it lol
Hehe. I don't plan the month challenges weeks ahead. On average, 1 to 3 days before the competition actually airs ... ;)
What happen if for example in the UCBench stage, only one user upload score? Is that valid?
What happen if for example in the UCBench stage, only one user upload score? Is that valid?
Yes. In fact, your country will still be ranked. However, any country with more scores, how bad they may be, will be ranked higher automatically.
Excellent, thanks for the info.
wesjuhdabomb
11-18-2011, 22:28
With UCbench, is it possible to use a i5-655k? (2c4t)?
Yeap. That's a dual core CPU :)
CPU dual core can't arrive at time for the UCbench stage, it's only one week....looking for another option.
sumonpathak
11-19-2011, 10:24
Well....whats the stand on core disabling? is it allowed?
Core disabling is not allowed for 'any' ranking at HWBOT, so also not allowed for the Country Cup :)
wesjuhdabomb
11-19-2011, 16:02
When I press Finland, I get a 404 error.. :(
Rasparthe
11-19-2011, 17:37
How does it work for the average if say only 4 people from a country participate? The average may be higher than a country with 5 participants. Will they still be considered higher in the ranking because the average is higher? Does it rank based on number of valid entries and then by average?
How does it work for the average if say only 4 people from a country participate? The average may be higher than a country with 5 participants. Will they still be considered higher in the ranking because the average is higher? Does it rank based on number of valid entries and then by average?
The countries are ranking by:
- amount of scores
- average of scores
So, a team with bad average but with all 5 scores will always be ranked higher than a team with great average but only 4 scores.
StrategosSan
11-20-2011, 10:04
Heyo!
A little question, can somebody make several submissions? And the best one count?
Or is it one shot?
You can make several submissions and the engine will detect your best one.
Do note, though, that tactics also come in play. You need to communicate with fellow countrymen so you're sure you don't block anyone else's best score. For instance:
- User A: 1500p with GTX285, 1450p with GTX275
- User B: 1499p with GTX285, 1300p with GTX275
- User C: 1400p with GTX280, 1200p with GTX275
The engine will calculate: AVG of GTX285 (user A) + GTX280 (user C) + GTX275 (user B) = 1400p. However, since user A has a much better score with the GTX275 than user B, the smart thing to do would be for user A to not submit with his GTX285 but leave that for User B. The, the engine will see:
- User A: 1450p with GTX275
- User B: 1499p with GTX285, 1300p with GTX275
- User C: 1400p with GTX280, 1200p with GTX275
And the result would be: AVG (1499p (285) + 1400p (280) + 1450p (275)) = 1449.66p
This kind of tactics are only necessary on the very last day of a stage, though. You can just submit all scores now and afterwards check which you're going to use for the final score.
StrategosSan
11-20-2011, 10:37
Thank for that complete answer mister Massman :)
xoqolatl
11-20-2011, 11:33
This kind of tactics are only necessary on the very last day of a stage, though.
Unless you're not playing the backup game and submit your best score right away :)
It's technically not a "backup game" if you don't submit your lesser scores first. You're describing the "sandbagging game" :D
xoqolatl
11-20-2011, 11:43
Pardon my ignorance, I'm not familiar with the devious ways of pro overclockers...
subaruwrc
11-20-2011, 17:32
it's real good, that a core i7 920 with 2c/2t or even a 2500k with 2 cores enabled, doesn't fullfill " use 2 cores in total " ....
canīt make a submission, every time i try, it means, i have no verification link but i have one
richba5tard
11-20-2011, 20:09
Can you make a screenshot?
canīt make a submission, every time i try, it means, i have no verification link but i have one
Add/remove the '2011' from the URL and then it should work.
I.nfraR.ed
11-21-2011, 01:53
Is it possible to change the numbers of the stages according to the original diagram (http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//country-cup-2011.png)?
It's confusing when talking about certain stage.
I can't change the stages on the competition page (they're all linked up with the limitations etc). I can make another diagram, I think.
Why don't you mention the stages by their title? :p
Hondacity
11-21-2011, 10:23
I think we shouldn't allow any member to change country when the competition has already started...
(PS: ES not allowed! ) what does it mean?
You can't use Engineering Samples for this competition. All samples must be retail.
I have a question for amd 3d11.
Rog Xpander is not retail, is allowed?
According to Asus, the Xpander is actually retail. So, as we follow the decision of the vendor, it is allowed.
StrategosSan
11-22-2011, 15:19
ES are not allowed even for 3D benchmarks?
I mean I got a 990x ES and a GTX275, I want to compete in Unigine Dx9 stage, we all know that in Unigine with GT200 it won't make the difference. Moreover, 2600K is more efficient.
So I can't submit in this stage with the only cpu I own?
Leeghoofd
11-22-2011, 22:02
I'm in the same position as you mate... don't think it will be allowed, ES is ES no matter if for 2 or 3D... and that's all Kenny fault :p
StrategosSan
11-22-2011, 23:11
Arf, it dosen't sounds good to me so...
No ES allowed, not even for 3D stages.
wesjuhdabomb
11-23-2011, 10:16
Is turning off tesselation allowed in 3dm11..?
I.nfraR.ed
11-23-2011, 16:15
What is the real deadline for UCbench stage? Diagram says 28th, the stage title reads "6 days to go", but it's written on the details "UCBench 2011 is open untill 30 November".
30th is the correct date.
The competition page is ALWAYS right. Even if you think it's wrong, it's right :D.
Is turning off tesselation allowed in 3dm11..?
Yeap.
I.nfraR.ed
11-23-2011, 16:29
Thanks for clarification, Pieter :)
wesjuhdabomb
11-23-2011, 21:39
Thnx:)
Rasparthe
11-24-2011, 02:00
Stage 7 require AMD for both processor and GPU?
Xtreme Addict
11-24-2011, 03:32
Unlocking cores for UCBench isn't allowed?
Stage 7 require AMD for both processor and GPU?
No, only for CPU.
Unlocking cores for UCBench isn't allowed?
AFAIK disable cores isn't allowed but enable cores van be do it without problems.
richba5tard
11-24-2011, 05:57
Yes, unlocking cores is allowed. Disabling cores is not.
Ananerbe
11-24-2011, 06:53
2 core CPU unlocked 4 core CPU allowed??? о_О
xoqolatl
11-24-2011, 08:34
Use 2 processor core(s) in total.
You must have a total of 2 cores after unlocking - you can unlock a Sempron to 2 cores, but you can't unlock a Phenom II X2 to 4 cores.
Stage 1: "Averange of top 5 scores by 5 users with 5 different setups"
why is for example united kingdom with a avg of 259,67 better than indonesia with a avg of 377,05? Oô
does avg of top 5 count or the summ?
Christian Ney
11-24-2011, 12:57
Yes, 5 people is more important than 3 people with better score
2 core CPU unlocked 4 core CPU allowed??? о_О
It's allowed for a stage that needs four cores (i.e wPrime)
Stelaras
11-24-2011, 20:09
What's up with the unigine problem ?
We can't run DX9 heaven as it freezes at scene7 .
That happens always even at stock clocks .
With 580 and 5870 no problem . But with 275 & 285 it stops at scene 7 . Tried with winxp , vista & win7
Is there a workaround ?
Christian Ney
11-24-2011, 21:21
I had this one as well, did not manage to fix it afaik
I.nfraR.ed
11-24-2011, 21:28
I've had that with HD4890
I had it also, but with the normal Processor benchmarks
it works fine
What's up with the unigine problem ?
We can't run DX9 heaven as it freezes at scene7 .
That happens always even at stock clocks .
With 580 and 5870 no problem . But with 275 & 285 it stops at scene 7 . Tried with winxp , vista & win7
Is there a workaround ?
memory related.
lower strap or relax timings will help.
Stelaras
11-24-2011, 22:52
memory related.
lower strap or relax timings will help.
Strap ? At p67 ? I tried also running the CPU at stock clocks and it didn't work .
But ... a few minutes ago i managed to make it work at win7 ! :D
I played a bit with the windows services and i reinstalled the driver . It now works .
I disabled the audio services and that's all :D
At winxp this trick didn't work . At least i have a working OS . :)
I can't understand what is the problem with 1.0.3 version ...I doubt it's the audio services .
Rasparthe
11-25-2011, 01:23
you may need an audio driver and sound card if you don't have onboard audio. There is audio during the benchmark for some reason and if you have no driver perhaps it is causing the crash.
Rasparthe
11-25-2011, 04:52
Tested now. Before crashed at Stage 7 no matter if at stock or not. After installing audio card and drivers no longer crashes at Stage 7. Hope that helps!
Audio service, huh?
That's interesting!
Stelaras
11-25-2011, 13:08
Confirmed . :D
There is something wrong with the audio .
Try to enable the sound card and install the drivers . After this , disable the soundcard and the services again.
Christian Ney
11-25-2011, 14:27
Good find guys
Looks like some use only SSSE3 instructions for UCBENCH and score is still validated on anrieff.net. This help get some more mhz and test runs very fast is this allowed ? or we should run test with def. settings ?
Turrican
11-25-2011, 23:41
should be default i guess.
Example:
default : http://hwbot.org/submission/2224442_gungod_ucbench_2011_core_i5_680_582.9_mpt_ score
Only SSSE3 : http://hwbot.org/submission/2224444_gungod_ucbench_2011_core_i5_680_600_mpt_sc ore?recalculate=true
Just notice this on other submissions ;)
GENiEBEN
11-26-2011, 00:36
known trick, why is it a problem?
Rasparthe
11-26-2011, 05:09
Don't you always have to run default? We allowed to run less resolution on 3dMark01 or other 3D now? Changing settings on the benchmark to give better score should be disallowed.
xoqolatl
11-26-2011, 08:54
Submission page ("http://hwbot.org/submit/benchmark/ucbench_2011/) says:
Please run UCBench 2011 now at default settings.
GENiEBEN
11-26-2011, 15:50
Don't you always have to run default? We allowed to run less resolution on 3dMark01 or other 3D now?
Default 2K1 implies DEFAULT ORDER for GT's too... Prove me wrong.
Changing settings on the benchmark to give better score should be disallowed.
Like I was sayin.
Christian Ney
11-26-2011, 16:08
Default 2K1 implies DEFAULT ORDER for GT's too... Prove me wrong.
Well, for 2k1, you run all GTs right ? Maybe not in the default order but all GTs right?
Here only SSE3 has been run, not all Tests ;)
The analogy with 3DMark01 is not correct, because all those GTs matter in the score and with UCBench that's not the case.
This is more like the CPU tests in 3DMark03/05 or the Feature tests in 3DMark Vantage. If you don't have a key, the CPU tests will be enabled by default in 03/05, but since they don't have any effect on the final score you just press escape before they start. In Vantage, everyone disables the feature tests in the paid version for the same reason: no effect on the score and might cause instability crash.
The final score of UCBench only depends on the best method to crack a password and for most CPUs that currently seems to be with the SSSE3 instructions. Disabling all the other tests that don't have an effect on the score anyways is completely legit. The method of calculating (= the benchmark) is the same; you just skip all the parts that don't need to run for the score.
For those who want to do it too, just add the following line after the command line in the benchmark application: "-cf=ssse3 test.rar"
GENiEBEN
11-26-2011, 16:40
@Ney: I can run all instructions and still get same/+ score:
http://anrieff.net/ucbench/viewitem.php?id=2590
vs
http://anrieff.net/ucbench/viewitem.php?id=2589
Dont even get me to start wdasm.
@Massman: thanks for having common sense!
Rasparthe
11-26-2011, 17:31
The analogy with 3DMark01 is not correct, because all those GTs matter in the score and with UCBench that's not the case.
This is more like the CPU tests in 3DMark03/05 or the Feature tests in 3DMark Vantage. If you don't have a key, the CPU tests will be enabled by default in 03/05, but since they don't have any effect on the final score you just press escape before they start. In Vantage, everyone disables the feature tests in the paid version for the same reason: no effect on the score and might cause instability crash.
The final score of UCBench only depends on the best method to crack a password and for most CPUs that currently seems to be with the SSSE3 instructions. Disabling all the other tests that don't have an effect on the score anyways is completely legit. The method of calculating (= the benchmark) is the same; you just skip all the parts that don't need to run for the score.
For those who want to do it too, just add the following line after the command line in the benchmark application: "-cf=ssse3 test.rar"
With all respect Massman I think you are wrong on this. This is not default settings. Then by rights you should be able to run 3d runs with lower resolutions or less than 32bit or whatever. The bench still runs, the frames still get calculated and the method of calculating is the same. Why run at default res when it gives a lower score?
The other UCbench tests do have an effect on the score, they lower it in some cases, and they should have to be calculated. I would agree with your reasoning if they had no effect on the score but they do. If every chip comes up with the same score with it enabled and disabled then sure leave it out but that is not the case.
Default 2K1 implies DEFAULT ORDER for GT's too... Prove me wrong.
In my opinion it implies nothing of the sort. Default is that you run each. Whatever order has nothing to do with default. If UCBench allowed you to run the SSE tests out of order and that improved your score...have at it. The point being that you ran every SSE test.
I'd say it's more like LOD for 3d tests, personally.
Rasparthe
11-26-2011, 17:45
I'd say it's more like LOD for 3d tests, personally.
How does removing tests compare to LOD?
I don't understand the logic behind the comparison this tweak/trick with lowering the resolution on a 3D benchmark. The SSSE3 benchmark test does not change when you run it separately. When you lower the resolution, you do change the benchmark.
As for the performance 'gain' you achieve: you can compare this with the behavior in 3DMark01. When you run, for instance, Nature as first test, the score will be a little bit higher than when you run it as third. The performance increase is not related to the benchmark itself, but due to OS/cache variables.
Hmm i runing Unbench Phenom II x4 945 4200MHz.Only ssse3 teszt OK.But default settings restart computer the test 80%
Lol.
I see it as akin to LOD as it is a minor change in score (maybe) that is getting blown all out of proportion.
Seriously though, the score actually used is always going to be the sse3 score anyway, so why run the other stuff?
xoqolatl
11-26-2011, 17:59
What other rules are going to get changed halfway through the stage?
Rasparthe
11-26-2011, 18:02
Bah, I see that I am misunderstanding how the benchmark works. I thought the score was based on some algorithm of each of the tests, not just which ever one is the best of the bunch. Then I have no problem with removing the other tests and your reference to Vantage and the like makes much more sense.
My apologies for the misunderstanding.
I'm not sure if SSSE3 is always the fastest one, tbh. SSSE4 seems just a tad slower than SSSE3 ... maybe it gets a nicer boost when running that one separately ?
Christian Ney
11-27-2011, 00:10
worth the test
Leeghoofd
11-27-2011, 10:51
C'mon Belgium we need some more scores before wednesday !!!
[hidden mode] " You know what to do Christian. Plz PM me your bank account for the money transfer. I'll transfer the cash after the score has been submitted. "[/end of hidden mode]
Was fun guys yesterday, hope to do some more... though my place is a pile of dead/sort of alive hardware... and I feel pretty lousy and tired lol :D
Greeks benching session ... :D
U4QYHeR2XfM
jep, thats why i like benching so :D
[hidden mode] " You know what to do Christian. Plz PM me your bank account for the money transfer. I'll transfer the cash after the score has been submitted. "[/end of hidden mode]
wtf i got error "recepint account is already full, plese sent to another one" ?!? c'mon mate buy something cuz Stage IV is almost over :D
Lol.
You guys are paying off the wrong person. He doesn't have REAL power LOL!
ilusindo
11-27-2011, 15:19
What's wrong with my ucbench submission, why can not enter Indonesia's score?
http://hwbot.org/submission/2224989_ilusindo_ucbench_2011_pentium_e5200_2.5ghz _434.4_mpt_score
Because there's already someone else who used a Wolfdale CPU for the Country Cup: http://hwbot.org/submission/2224123_sky_coolzzz_ucbench_2011_pentium_e6500k_2. 93ghz_437_mpt_score
ilusindo
11-27-2011, 15:35
uppppss.. I think E6500, E8200, E5200 etc can submit together :D. Thx Massman. It's mean rule number one is : Use 2 processor core(s) in total with different code name. :)
Christian Ney
11-27-2011, 15:56
wtf i got error "recepint account is already full, plese sent to another one" ?!? c'mon mate buy something cuz Stage IV is almost over :D
With the money they sent me this week-end, I can buy a full tray of i7 3960X and start binning :D
ScunnyUK
11-27-2011, 17:27
There seems to be a problem with the submissions page :/
A couple of guys are getting an error when trying to add thier validation link..
"* A VERIFICATION LINK IS REQUIRED. - YOUR SUBMISSION DOES NOT COMPLY TO THIS RULE
VERIFICATION URL MUST MATCH PATTERN: HTTP://ANRIEFF.NET/UCBENCH2011/VIEWITEM.PHP?\?ID=[0-9?]*"
Even though the link is correct ???
I.nfraR.ed
11-27-2011, 17:37
Add 2011 after ucbench in the link.
/UCBENCH2011/ in the link will match the regular expression, but /UCBENCH/ won't.
It's a very weird issue. Sometimes you get a different URL, sometimes you get the right URL. :-/
ARandomOWL
11-27-2011, 19:45
It's a very weird issue. Sometimes you get a different URL, sometimes you get the right URL. :-/
Then cater for both in the regexp, not hard.
Massman, what is the cut off time for each stage?
Timezone is GMT+1. End times are:
30-11-11 12:00:00 - Dual Core UCBench2011
11-12-11 12:00:00 - 3DMark01 IGP
21-12-11 12:00:00 - Wprime 1024M 1,2,4,6,8-Core
30-12-11 23:59:00 - Memory Clock
11-12-11 12:00:00 - Heaven DX9 GF200 1xGPU
30-12-11 23:59:00 - PCMark7
30-12-11 23:59:00 - AMD 3DMark11 Performance
Okay, I've updated the HCC2011 scheme with the right Stage indications + detailed cut off times
http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//hcc2011scheme.jpg
dimedevil
11-28-2011, 15:55
Hello guys, is there any problem with the server? Me and my team-mate already tried to submit ucbench score but always getting a server error in the past 1 hour. Did anybody had the same problem?
Thanks,
PS : this is the error i'm getting :
java.util.regex.PatternSyntaxException: Dangling meta character '?' near index 52 http://anrieff.net/ucbench[0-9]{0,4}/viewitem.{0,4}??id=[0-9?]* ^
tried add/remove the '2011' but it wont work..
richba5tard
11-28-2011, 16:16
oops, my mistake, i just updated the regex pattern to allow both ucbench2001/viewitem as ucbench/viewitem.
Edit: fixed
Can't submit, I get this error for ucbench2011 when submitting in the Country Cup 2011 section.
Pretty sure I have the correct link, http://anrieff.net/ucbench2011/viewitem.php?id=2688
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/853/errorgo.jpg
dimedevil
11-28-2011, 16:36
@ richba5tard :
Thx mate, now i can submit my score :)
It's a tie.
Belgium still #1 :D.
xoqolatl
11-28-2011, 19:07
Massman, you said backups don't exist in your country, so your Clarkdale score (http://hwbot.org/submission/2225351_pt1t_ucbench_2011_core_i3_530_337.4_mpt_sc ore) is final?
Hondacity
11-28-2011, 19:17
hahahahahahaha
Massman, you said backups don't exist in your country, so your Clarkdale score (http://hwbot.org/submission/2225351_pt1t_ucbench_2011_core_i3_530_337.4_mpt_sc ore) is final?
It's not my Clarkdale score.
The reason for the possible backup...
they have known the hardware they needed to run months ago when MM mentioned country cup..
no doubt stage1 and stage5 will be belgium's to take...
they even made sure stage3 will include 8core... interesting as other countries won't have this.
Yes. Months ... :rolleyes:
xoqolatl
11-28-2011, 19:49
Not yours personally, but Belgium's.
@Honda: Why "8core... interesting as other countries won't have this"? You don't have Bulldozers?
Hondacity
11-28-2011, 19:49
it was hearsay or it isn't
Hondacity
11-28-2011, 19:51
Not yours personally, but Belgium's.
@Honda: Why "8core... interesting as other countries won't have this"? You don't have Bulldozers?
dohhhh
Not yours personally, but Belgium's.
I have no idea what Pt1t will do.
We just found out this morning the chip in his PC was actually not an ES, so he could enter to complete our 5/5 scores. We also found out on Saturday my X6800 Conroe was dead and we found out on sunday that my Sempron 145 could unlock.
It's panic play at Belgium :D
it was hearsay or it isn't
Hearsay what?
Thanks for the chart update Massman!
Any luck finding out why I can't submit my ucbench2011 score in the Country Cup section?
Lucky_n00b
11-28-2011, 20:55
..... We also found out on Saturday my X6800 Conroe was dead and we found out on sunday that my Sempron 145 could unlock.
It's panic play at Belgium :D
It's not so bad mate, when some reviewers at our office decides that they will join the country cup, we found out that almost all of our CPU were ES. And that includes :
- Clarkdale 655K, 540, 661
- i3-2100
And the only retail CPU left were E4400 ,E5300 , and a couple of AMD CPU (X2 245,250, 560 BE).
Ah well, messing with some old hardware with some friends was fun anyway , so it's all good :D :D
Hondacity
11-28-2011, 20:58
yeah one guys clarkdale was es too ...lol it was funny...false hope
Lol. Yeah, if it was ES only, we wouldn't have issues finding 5 chips ... :p
Massman isn't there going to be different topic for each stage?
Hondacity
11-28-2011, 21:09
Since only a handful of guys are talking/bashing/laughing/enjoying/competing. I think this thread will suffice.
**massman just made threads for stages1 and stages1 lol
**he fixed it in .001seconds
lol
Massman isn't there going to be different topic for each stage?
I guess it might be useful for practical information
http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=34525
http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=34526
http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=34527
http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=34528
http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=34529
http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=34530
http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=34531
**massman just made threads for stages1 and stages1 lol
**he fixed it in .001seconds
lol
http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//images.jpg
Can you try again?
EDIT: Doesn't work, tried multiple times.
richba5tard
11-28-2011, 22:45
EDIT: Doesn't work, tried multiple times.
I changed the regex a bit and tried with the url you used (http://anrieff.net/ucbench2011/viewitem.php?id=2688), it works for me now. Very sorry for the inconvenience.
I changed the regex a bit and tried with the url you used (http://anrieff.net/ucbench2011/viewitem.php?id=2688), it works for me now. Very sorry for the inconvenience.
Yes, works for me too. Thanks Rich!
ScunnyUK
11-29-2011, 15:45
I changed the regex a bit and tried with the url you used (http://anrieff.net/ucbench2011/viewitem.php?id=2688), it works for me now. Very sorry for the inconvenience.
Its not working again ??
* A verification link is required. - your submission does not comply to this rule
Verification url must match pattern: http://anrieff.net/ucbench[0-9]{0,4}/viewitem.php?\?id=[0-9?]
Trying both with and without the 2011.
http://www.anrieff.net/ucbench2011/viewitem.php?id=2725
richba5tard
11-29-2011, 15:48
Its not working again ??
* A verification link is required. - your submission does not comply to this rule
Verification url must match pattern: http://anrieff.net/ucbench[0-9]{0,4}/viewitem.php?\?id=[0-9?]
Trying both with and without the 2011.
http://www.anrieff.net/ucbench2011/viewitem.php?id=2725
You are the first one trying the url with "www." in front. I shall adjust the pattern, but in the meantime you can submit without the www.
ScunnyUK
11-29-2011, 16:01
You are the first one trying the url with "www." in front. I shall adjust the pattern, but in the meantime you can submit without the www.
Ahh thanks RB that has worked now :cool:
blindfitter
11-29-2011, 17:26
RB could you please look at my entry in the 555 amdclass as its not showing on the UK leader board, I just deleted my i5 661 score and uploade the amd 555
thanks
RB could you please look at my entry in the 555 amdclass as its not showing on the UK leader board, I just deleted my i5 661 score and uploade the amd 555
thanks
Do you have a link of that score ?
blindfitter
11-29-2011, 17:51
Sorry MM
http://www.anrieff.net/ucbench2011/viewitem.php?id=2727
I mean the hwbot score :)
blindfitter
11-29-2011, 18:07
try again,
http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2225741_
Looking into that score. Maybe re-submitting might be the fastest way to solve the issue.
FWIW - We're 8 results and 5 members short of hitting our all-time record for highest participation in a competition stage :)
xoqolatl
11-29-2011, 21:43
When was the previous record?
blindfitter
11-29-2011, 22:15
Hi MM, did as you requested, and it made the team score,
thx
When was the previous record?
Last year's Country Cup stage 1 ;)
Do I get competition points for each stage?
Ananerbe
11-30-2011, 07:29
GO GO GO Russia
Do u watch CNN ? There will be no internet in Russia for 3 hours :P
Christian Ney
11-30-2011, 10:05
Do u watch CNN ? There will be no internet in Russia for 3 hours :P
So no Snipers from Russia :D
Diabolo 80
11-30-2011, 10:27
One HOT result from cold Russia submited without internet :)))))
xoqolatl
11-30-2011, 10:50
The suspense is killing me...
Ananerbe
11-30-2011, 10:59
G.Foyle, where you clarkdale with 799 score?
G.Foyle we are no have another result. Submit 799.
xoqolatl
11-30-2011, 11:01
I dunno, should be here any moment!
EDIT: Sorry but I don't believe you :P
Leeghoofd
11-30-2011, 11:04
Backup the backup plan... !!
C'mon Romenia, post them scores !!! where's Germany at and the USA ?
xoqolatl
11-30-2011, 11:22
Why is this score blocked?
http://hwbot.org/submission/2225937_
Christian Ney
11-30-2011, 11:31
Why is this score blocked?
http://hwbot.org/submission/2225937_
Pretty obvious this is Ryba submitting with his CPU to the account of Chaos to get to 5 avg:
Ryba:
http://hwbot.org/image/687328.jpg
Chaos:
http://hwbot.org/image/687450.jpg
Ryba:
http://hwbot.org/image/687327.jpg
Chaos:
http://hwbot.org/image/687449.jpg
Ryba:
http://anrieff.net/ucbench2011/viewitem.php?id=2741
Chaos:
http://anrieff.net/ucbench2011/viewitem.php?id=2742
There is actually 49s delay between the 2 score submited
Ryba's E6400 Setup 12 Decembed 2010:
http://hwbot.org/submission/1089660_
http://hwbot.org/image/490302.jpg
Xtreme Addict
11-30-2011, 11:34
They are overclocking together, just like always, MOA, GOOC
By the way, Greeks do the same, even pictures on different platforms are the same
xoqolatl
11-30-2011, 11:37
Ryba and Chaos benching together = score sharing, three Greeks benching together = team session?
ryba (PurePC.pl)
11-30-2011, 11:43
Pretty obvious this is Ryba submitting with his CPU to the account of Chaos to get to 5 avg:
There is actually 49s delay between the 2 score submited
Thanks captain obvious, but could you imagine, that he lives 1h from me and we can bench togheter when we want? And want say to me right now that we need wait xxx amount of time to submit scores? I don't think so there is something wrong to put two scores in short time after benching both rigs with the same HDD at the same benchtable in the same benchroom.
Lucky_n00b
11-30-2011, 11:47
It's still possible for Ryba and Chaos to bench together and submit the score afterwards, I don't see anything wrong with this.
Well, for additional information, we from Indonesia also did team session together which takes place in our office. (although we had to share pots since we only have 2)
Xtreme Addict
11-30-2011, 11:48
It's obviously inhonest. But you know Belgium is SO BIG COUNTRY that you have to travel days and nights... In rules there wasn't mentioned that you have to wait 3-60 minutes before putting another score. Yeah your rules are bad but it's your fault. Time isn't any reason to block entry.
The best solution is to add clear rules:
When you bench together/at one place you have to provide picture with all persons, all hardware etc.
Give exact time frames when putting multiple results
and so on.
For this stage we did a lot of ln2 parties, about 6 or 7, some pictures from two places
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5467/img2380uj.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1504/img2381n.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6673/img2382ww.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/285/img2383b.jpg
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3632/img2384t.jpg
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4889/img2385jg.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3060/img2386ue.jpg
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4026/img2388hk.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3915/img2389o.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8708/img2390de.jpg
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7938/img2392n.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2968/img2422lp.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/97/img2423mh.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5479/img2425r.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3757/img2428s.jpg
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/5466/img2429uy.jpg
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8601/img2430o.jpg
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/1950/img2431t.jpg
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/8219/img2432el.jpg
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9541/img2433px.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2002/img2434o.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7169/img2440c.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8227/img2441a.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9585/img2442ny.jpg
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4471/img2443j.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4518/img2444q.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1297/img2445d.jpg
its pretty lame to delete my score...
all of you guys should now that me and ryba bench together
wesjuhdabomb
11-30-2011, 11:56
I don't think that the time will be the biggest issue. As Christian showed, you see a result of Ryba with the E6400 in december 2010. Now Chaos uses the same mainboard and cpu, only other rams to compete in the country cup.
xoqolatl
11-30-2011, 12:02
Smoke, I apologize for not believing you - you really didn't have anything better :)
Xtreme Addict
11-30-2011, 12:03
But your E8600 is beautiful! :)
ryba (PurePC.pl)
11-30-2011, 12:06
Sorry, where you see that it's the same board? This one from december I sold and borrowed next one from local friend. You see, all of you want now make anything to lower our avg. score for no honest reason. In HWbot rules, we can split scores between two ppl who made that scores from one platform. So once again, where the fuck you see anything bad in that scores?
And at the end I can just say that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRuRzEgJS28
Dry_Ice777
11-30-2011, 12:07
Congratulations to Poland. Very good results. Great start, but Russia has no intention of giving up;)
ryba :D
We'll discuss internally.
It's true that Ryba did not have a score with that setup yet in UCBench. Grey area, so I guess open for debate.
You see, all of you want now make anything to lower our avg. score for no honest reason
... :rolleyes:
Congrats Poland!!! Very nice team work!!!
I don't think that the time will be the biggest issue. As Christian showed, you see a result of Ryba with the E6400 in december 2010. Now Chaos uses the same mainboard and cpu, only other rams to compete in the country cup.
Yeah .. same brand and name ... not same board
http://forum.purepc.pl/Chlodzenie-Woda-Inne-Metody-f33/Moj-Wc-Lol-Roku-2007-t253092.html
2007 post on our polish forum with p5k on my rig.
and if you really wanna know that CPU is mine now also
its really no point in arguing when I can clearly see that problem is POLAND. Greeks have 3 almost identical setup and nobody complains ...
bullshit
xoqolatl
11-30-2011, 12:21
Thanks slamms! We're trying to break the tradition and work together for a change :P
wesjuhdabomb
11-30-2011, 12:25
No offence from this side.. Also @Ryba: Also no intention to lower the AVG score of Poland.
@Chaos, Ok no problem, its up to massman/christian to decide. Also you show this is your board, fine.. And i only replied to this thread because i think the time isn't the problem christian was talking about, while you were talking about rules of time etc... No bad feelings for Poland, and I didn't even see the scores of the Greeks, only giving my reply on what i see here in this thread..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4QYHeR2XfM
:D:D:D
congratz to poland,, hope u guys enjoying the boxing match now :D
Rasparthe
11-30-2011, 12:33
LOL, who didn't see this coming?
xoqolatl
11-30-2011, 12:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4QYHeR2XfM
:D:D:D
Now I'm hungry...
Xtreme Addict
11-30-2011, 12:40
Not only you ;)
So next LN2 party + grill? :D
Xtreme Addict
11-30-2011, 12:40
Congrats Poland!!! Very nice team work!!!
Thanks! :) This year we will do our best ;)
For Russia in this year we are not will fanatic benching for each stage, because it not justified.
it's just the beginning... ;)
Xtreme Addict
11-30-2011, 12:55
For Russia in this year we are not will fanatic benching for each stage, because it not justified.
This year is so many stages and a lot of HW needed. The worst is PCMark. On the other hand AMD + 4-Way is pretty fun :D
Dry_Ice777
11-30-2011, 12:58
This year is so many stages and a lot of HW needed. The worst is PCMark. On the other hand AMD + 4-Way is pretty fun :D
+1
And it's very sad for all of us :(
Hondacity
11-30-2011, 12:59
Backup the backup plan... !!
C'mon Romenia, post them scores !!! where's Germany at and the USA ?
currently... its the "great divide of a" lol
nice teamwork from Poland and Russia and Bulgaria and Belgium
Xtreme Addict
11-30-2011, 13:03
+1
And it's very sad for all of us :(
The worst is hw, I don't have older gpus like GTX2xx or some crazy raid cards for pcmark, I had to buy GTX and it's very hard to find working used one, I bought reference 285 and appeared to be dead, so I bought another. Hope she will be good. But I can't find any Matrix/Lightning/Classified so it's a bit tough :) I prefer newer hw.
Diabolo 80
11-30-2011, 13:05
Congrats guys from Poland. See you in "Unigine G200" stage :)
My GTX285 died after removing the water block
lol
I.nfraR.ed
11-30-2011, 13:18
Congrats to Poland and Russia. Strong scores, guys :)
Christian Ney
11-30-2011, 13:44
sorry I was eating, just got back, wazzup ? :p
Okay, maybe they did bench together, sorry for blocking but the facts were really obvious, so you can understand my block.
People complain when there is ''sharing not investigated'' and people complain as well when ''sharing is investigated''.
I thought it was better to block the score and wait for explanations from the users, then we can still allow the score afterwards. It's better to act like this than to block the score after the competition then you might be screwed with only 4 scores.
c'mon it is OBVIOUS that Poland And Russia cheat!!! block them and give us the lead :P
p.s. Well done guys gratz! See you in front of Belgium' s heaven Stronghold :)
sorry I was eating, just got back, wazzup ? :p
Okay, maybe they did bench together, sorry for blocking but the facts were really obvious, so you can understand my block.
People complain when there is ''sharing not investigated'' and people complain as well when ''sharing is investigated''.
I thought it was better to block the score and wait for explanations from the users, then we can still allow the score afterwards. It's better to act like this than to block the score after the competition then you might be screwed with only 4 scores.
that i can understand
no hard feelings then
xoqolatl
11-30-2011, 14:10
See you in front of Belgium' s heaven Stronghold :)
It's gonna be Hannibal ante portas :P
Don’t count your chickens before they are hatched :P
Congrats to the stage winner and all participants...
The system should give us better score to countries like mine :D.....just kidding.
Media Center POWERRRRRRRR! :D
c'mon it is OBVIOUS that Poland And Russia cheat!!! block them and give us the lead :P
If I would start being a fraud, why wouldn't I block scores untill Belgium reaches #1. :p
I.nfraR.ed
11-30-2011, 15:01
Remove all scores higher than 731 MPT :P
Uhm, found that my submission with Athlon II X2 250 does not have Competition Points (CP). There was a problem with it. The engine didn't put it in our 5 scores, until I deleted the old one, which was lower.
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