Testing GIGABYTE X79-UD7 ... [Archive]

Massman

11-18-2011, 20:06

Got the board in a couple of days ago, working my way through the BIOS now to get used to the board. It's the successor for the X58A-OC, so expectations are high.

Setup

- i7 3960X ES
- X79-UD7 (bios F3k/F3n)
- 4x 2GB Dominator GTX8
- GeForce 8400GS (for now)
- Silent Pro M1000 PSU

Pictures

Just a few, there are far better pictures out on teh interw3bz already so you can check out those!

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//SAM_0351.jpg

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//SAM_0349.jpg

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//SAM_0348s.jpg

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//SAM_0348.jpg

Results

- coming soon -

Hondacity

11-18-2011, 20:32

what is that videocard? nice 90 angle on that videocard cable lol

Massman

11-18-2011, 20:41

XFX GF8400 GS with passive Zalman on it. Used to be for media center, but I switched it out for an i3 2300 + IGP :D

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//101x2400.png

Hondacity

11-18-2011, 20:52

sbe can't touch sb, with sp32m?

can sbe match this http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?264837-SandyBridge-2D-madness-let-s-tweak-for-the-best-1m-32m-pifast-and-wprime!&p=4749690&viewfull=1#post4749690 ?

matose

11-18-2011, 22:45

It can, but you need to be smart :)
I did a performance analysis between 2500k, 2600k, 3930k and 3960x at 5GHz here: http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipseturi/studiu-de-overclocking-asus-rampage-iv-extreme-sandy-bridge-e/17
Also you can find out that tri-channel is much better than dual-channel or quad-channel on SB-E here: http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipseturi/studiu-de-overclocking-asus-rampage-iv-extreme-sandy-bridge-e/18

Sam OCX

11-19-2011, 00:01

matose, can you also test 1Gb vs 2Gb modules on SBe and 4x2Gb vs 8x2Gb in 32M ?

Hondacity

11-19-2011, 01:48

thanks matose. good to see people sharing info :D

time for me to study..

matose

11-19-2011, 10:49

matose, can you also test 1Gb vs 2Gb modules on SBe and 4x2Gb vs 8x2Gb in 32M ?

I don't have 8 modules :)
I will test single-sided vs double-sided when my PSC arrive next week. For me SPI32m on SB-E is pretty useless because I have 5950MHz 2500k but no time to mount 4x2GB Elpida Hyper and get a proper score :D

Massman

11-19-2011, 13:04

The IMC on this chip is not too good, so DDR3-2400C10 seems to be the max so far. Bclk goes upto 106MHz, but couldn't get the 1.25x to work yet. A couple of other bugs are in the F3k bios at the moment, but I think those will be solved rather quickly. LN2 runs coming up.

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//4800-1200c10-100.png

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//4240-990c10-106.png

matose

11-19-2011, 13:18

Massman

11-19-2011, 13:54

How much chips you tested?

I tested only the Sabertooth before and it had a similar MEMCLK wall as I experience now. DX79SI was even worse as it couldn't run DDR3-1200. I think I need that R4E to set baseline OC results with this chip.

Interesting note about the MSI board. What were the DOA symptoms? No boot or just no power up?

matose

11-19-2011, 15:06

It doesn’t boot, the LEDs light up but the Debug LED don’t show anything. It seems like a problem with CPU VRM, just one phase lights up and the CPU does not receive voltage...

Earthdog

11-19-2011, 16:56

Massman.. you having issues with voltage sticking on the Fn bios by chance?

Massman

11-19-2011, 17:10

Massman.. you having issues with voltage sticking on the Fn bios by chance?

Yeap. Same issue on F3k, by the way; happens everytime the system does a hard reboot.

Earthdog

11-19-2011, 18:38

I think the MB is the problem, not the IMC. I tried more than one CPU and neither one did under 2550MHz RAM freq on R4E...
1.25x multiplier also don't work on ASRock X79 Extreme 4 but I managed close to 2500MHz MEM speed with the same CPU that did 2600MHz on R4E. Oh, and MSI X79A-GD65 (8D) was DOA :)If you CPU is C1 stepping, it seems those boards are not compatible...at least according to MSI. Our team leader has one for review and MSI is sending out another because of C1 incompatibility.

Well, F2 wasnt bad for me (outside of the odd LLC that doesnt work at all) overclocking wise so I will stick with it...

matose

11-19-2011, 22:42

Retail CPUs are C1, maybe you mean C0?

sin0822

11-20-2011, 05:32

A bit higher than before, http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2106995

keep the improvements coming.

Massman

11-20-2011, 20:59

Quicktest under LN2 to check if the CPU behaves in the same way.

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/2108262.png (http://hwbot.org/submission/2222910_massman_cpu_frequency_core_i7_3960x_5300.2 1_mhz)

That high voltage wasn't necessary, set it just to be sure. Clocking is similar to the Sabertooth both in terms of temp range, memory issue and max clock. Not a good chip, in other words.

Also trying to get both 1.25x and 1.67x BCLK multiplier working. So far, I can almost boot into windows with the 1.67x ... just need a little more hw tweaking. TBC.

Earthdog

11-21-2011, 04:33

Retail CPUs are C1, maybe you mean C0?Retail C1 and it wouldnt boot from the get go. The bios he has I do not believe was the shipping bios and that was were the incompatibility lay.

Massman - Any new beta bios in the works for this non sticking to settings thing in F3k/n or do we have to continue to use ET6 for voltage and overclocking (outside the buttons on board of course)?

stasio

11-21-2011, 07:21

Massman - Any new beta bios in the works for this non sticking to settings thing in F3k/n or do we have to continue to use ET6 for voltage and overclocking (outside the buttons on board of course)?

Here (http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/28441-gigabyte-latest-beta-bios-4.html#post270610) you have F3i/j/m,but I think is same.
Btw,
on friday has been new release (I don't have yet).
And today will be probably new beta.

sin0822

11-21-2011, 07:26

hey try not setting the CPu PWM frequency, see if that allows the voltages to stick.

Massman

11-21-2011, 09:29

Retail C1 and it wouldnt boot from the get go. The bios he has I do not believe was the shipping bios and that was were the incompatibility lay.

Massman - Any new beta bios in the works for this non sticking to settings thing in F3k/n or do we have to continue to use ET6 for voltage and overclocking (outside the buttons on board of course)?

Wtf about retail C1 incompatibility ... :confused:

I think there are new BIOSes coming out. There should be ... need some other fixes too. Oh, hey, could we all complain with one big petition to give us more than 4 bios profiles and allow is to name them so we can see which one is loaded? :D

hey try not setting the CPu PWM frequency, see if that allows the voltages to stick.

I tried auto and setting them manually. No change.

matose

11-21-2011, 10:36

Retail C1 and it wouldnt boot from the get go. The bios he has I do not believe was the shipping bios and that was were the incompatibility lay.

I tested with C0 and still the same... I think the problem is someplace else as I'm not the only one with this problem

stasio

11-21-2011, 13:05

I think there are new BIOSes coming out.

Final BIOS is out today,anybody have?

Massman

11-21-2011, 13:08

Dino said the new BIOS would be uploaded tomorrow?

Earthdog

11-21-2011, 13:08

Wtf about retail C1 incompatibility ... :confused:

I think there are new BIOSes coming out. There should be ... need some other fixes too. Oh, hey, could we all complain with one big petition to give us more than 4 bios profiles and allow is to name them so we can see which one is loaded? :D

I tried auto and setting them manually. No change.+1 for naming the profiles!!!!!

I can change voltage in ET6 (Vcore) and use the board's buttones for multi bclk. I think I have a dud as 4.8Ghz on water is all I can bench at... YUCK

stasio

11-21-2011, 13:11

Dino said the new BIOS would be uploaded tomorrow?

http://www.jzelectronic.de/jz2/index.php

"In test" ,atm.
OK,w'll wait for tomorrow.

Massman

11-21-2011, 13:17

+1 for naming the profiles!!!!!

I can change voltage in ET6 (Vcore) and use the board's buttones for multi bclk. I think I have a dud as 4.8Ghz on water is all I can bench at... YUCK

Weirdly enough ... there are a lot of chips that maxing out around those clocks. Mine did 4.8G, even with just two cores enabled. And the chip can definitely do more than that.

Did you test on R4E too? Word on the e-street is that board had a similar issue in first beta versions but then got solved with bios updates??

stasio

11-21-2011, 16:07

Final BIOS posted.

Earthdog

11-21-2011, 20:20

@ Stasio - Does this bios prevent the non applying settings from the bios the beta's have? (I didnt look before I posted and sorry for the mini thread jack). No release notes on the website.

@ Massman, no R4E. The other X79 board I have (Asrock Extreme4-M) Doesnt even like to hold a 4.5ghz clock at the moment..

Replied to your PM, will test and report back.,

sin0822

11-22-2011, 00:21

I was able to max at 4.9ghz yesterday on air with a fan over the VR, should help with a lo9t of boards. I saw shamino suggested it for higher air/water OC on the R4E as well. His comment at XS.

Hondacity

11-22-2011, 01:02

what vr? variable resistor?

sin0822

11-22-2011, 03:59

the voltage regulator the VRM or VR.

Hondacity

11-22-2011, 04:22

the regulator needs a fan? yikes..

Massman

11-22-2011, 12:30

@ Stasio - Does this bios prevent the non applying settings from the bios the beta's have? (I didnt look before I posted and sorry for the mini thread jack). No release notes on the website.

Yeap.

Also, you no longer have to enable turbo mode in CPU Features to get over the default 37x multiplier.

Boot-up feels smoother too.

//edit: still the same weird performance bug (losing 7~9 seconds on 32M compared to GD65) and I haven't found the key to +4.9GHz yet like on the GD65 8D.

Massman

11-22-2011, 13:50

Okay, found the performance issue. Just disable both Channel and Rank Interleaving in Advanced Memory Settings.

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//111122204823.png

Before

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//4800-1200c10-1001.png

After

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//4800-1200c10-100-2.png

Comparison with GD65

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//4800-1066c10-100.png

Hyperhorn

11-22-2011, 13:55

These two settings cause >20s difference? That's impressive ...
Did you test in which way it affects stability/OC potential?

Massman

11-22-2011, 13:59

Or one of the two ... too lazy to test which one exactly. No issue stability/oc-wise.

Massman

11-22-2011, 14:22

@ Massman, no R4E. The other X79 board I have (Asrock Extreme4-M) Doesnt even like to hold a 4.5ghz clock at the moment..

Replied to your PM, will test and report back.,

No worries, it doesn't work on the UD7. The board doesn't hard reboot that often. Maybe that's one of the issues.

matose

11-22-2011, 21:31

Try with them enabled and tri-channel :)

P.S: You realize that on GD65 you used 2133MHz and on UD7 you used 2400MHz, right?

sin0822

11-23-2011, 19:58

the regulator needs a fan? yikes..

it doesn't require a fan, but just like shamino suggested at XS in the R4E thread, a fan over the VR heatsink helps for that little bit extra.

Earthdog

11-25-2011, 00:45

Any fix in sight for the multi not sticking on F3 bios sin? Or advice to push past 4.9Ghz? Its a rock solid lock at 4.9Ghz, active cooling on the VRM's or not.

sin0822

11-25-2011, 04:02

Cold on the CPu itself lol. I know a buddy with retail who hit 5.0ghz with F3, otherwise i don't know many others with the same board. but do this, try without CPU PLL Overvoltage, see if you can hit 4.9ghz too, with it disabled? I hear it helps at high clocks, but i can do without it and have the same frequency.

When you say multi not sticking, you have C1E enabled, right?

dinos22

11-25-2011, 05:56

nice to see you figured out the 32M slowness. That's a big difference. I'll start playing a bit next week to see if we can push the bios guys to remove some of these bugs too a bit sooner.

Earthdog

11-28-2011, 05:27

sin0822

11-28-2011, 17:23

wait no i tested more, the problem is Easytune. you can disable C1E, in BIOs it might not say 4.5ghz when you set 45x, but when you go into windows its 45x, but when easytune loads it drops to 38 or 39x, so if you uninstall easytune, it wont drop lol.

Earthdog

11-30-2011, 16:42

Heh.. turns out the CPU wasnt the problem, the UD7 crapped the bed. Wussy board. :p

New one arrives Monday. Hopefully that one wont be as weak, and now I have 2 CPU's to bin!

sin0822

11-30-2011, 23:54

nice CPUs!

Massman

12-03-2011, 11:44

Anyone tested F4b?

So far, it seems a little more buggy than F3. Maybe it's me, lol.

sin0822

12-03-2011, 21:39

your not the only one, anyone see F3 was removed from the official site?

stasio

12-04-2011, 13:19

GB removing,Asus releasing (improving).

Massman

12-04-2011, 13:34

Yeah ... I'm not so happy to see this.

Any rumours pointing towards major issues?

littleboy

12-05-2011, 07:10

I'm using the ud3 mobo. the ud3 mobo has the same problem.
Drop the multipler because the easytune installed in the window.
so, i uninstall the easytune.

OBR

12-05-2011, 19:32

Earthdog

12-06-2011, 03:47

Im still having issues with an multi's sticking. I even uninstalled ET6. Ive got everything set properly and still 38x. The multi button on teh board wont even change it...

Im going to try F4b...

OBR

12-06-2011, 16:19

will send issues to tchaiwan for resolution, whats your problems?

my issues:

BIOS F3 and higher - Auto OC button not working
EasyTune + Enable change multi in windows - problem with multi

Oced CPU above 4.5 Ghz undeclocked to default under load ...

Hondacity

12-06-2011, 17:28

maybe a recall is going to happen :)

Earthdog

12-06-2011, 19:21

F4c didnt change anything for me. Here are my issues:

F2 bios and all beta versions up to F3 - Setting voltage in bios does not show in windows (used ET6 for voltage) multi works via onboard buttons/and from bios.
F3 bios and betas up to F4c - Setting voltage in bios shows in windows, but now multi adjustments do not go past 38x via ET6, buttons on board, or the bios.
With F4c - BIOS shows 56C CPU temp no matter what.

Uninstalled ET6 the issue(s) still remain.

sin0822

12-06-2011, 19:26

OBR you know LLC is reserved right? 0% is strongest. But yea my ES required a lot of load votlage to stay stable.

Man you have some odd issues, my settings stick fine. Maybe they will release another BIOS soon, F4C doesn't do much to improve anything tho. All i have that doesn't stick is multiplier and that is when easytune is loaded with F3.

You guys see this? its Hicookie:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/-RUP8u476c10/Tt25ZviMaHI/AAAAAAAABJA/_Bh3rgG8Stw/s1600-h/ImageUpload.org2560-2%25255B4%25255D.png

Massman

12-06-2011, 19:34

This board is strange. I am working on review now, maybe i am stupid or doing something wrong, but i dont know what.

I have Ci7-3930K stepping 5, C0. On Asus Dlx/RIVE + MSI GD65 8D + Intel X79SI i can OC this chip with 1.45V easily to 4.8 GHz rock stable.

But on UD5/UD7 only 4.7 GHz. For 4.8 GHz i need here 1.65V !!!!!! On other board i can OC it for 5 GHz in few seconds, on UD5/UD7 is 5 GHz on air impossible at any settings.

Ive tryed everything, all options in 3D power, all voltages, but still this crappy results there ... help

That voltage does not make any sense. Forcing it to work with that amount of V is causing an underlying issue to get fixed. My bet is on the pll override finetuning, which on the GD65 was fixable with a small workaround (ineffective on UD7).

Also, I don't think the max of your chip is 4800. I don't think anyone's max is 4800. With my ES chip, I had this 4800 air wall on all boards I tested (GD65/UD7/DX79SI) and it could do 5300 on LN2 (Sabertooth/GD65/UD7) easily. On GD65 I got upto 5150 air after workaround fix. With this 3930K retail, I have a 4700/4800 air wall on the UD7, so far, but 5200 bootable on R4E. Actually, I got a similar wall before I started playing with PWM settings on the R4E ...

OBR

12-06-2011, 21:14

sin - yes i know, 0 is max LLC

The same chip + Noctua air cooler, 3930K on RIVE (0901) cinebench R11 rock stable 5 GHz, MEM 2200 MHz CL9 on 1.5V. All options on Auto, only LLC High + manual CPU/MEM voltage settings.

On Giga UD7 - max 4,7 GHz with +/- 1.5V. Nothing higher at any normal settings, various voltages/3D Power combinations, nothing helps me.

PS. On Asus drops multiplier in load to default too, but on 1.65V and air cooler. Thats normal CPU protection, but on Giga i have it on 4,7 GHz and 1.5V ...

Earthdog

12-07-2011, 03:33

I'm not sure what I missed but.. its clocking through the multi again. This is one particular board, wow.

I have Turbo, EIST, C1E disabled and on idle its STILL dropping to 12x... What did I miss to make it a constant clockspeed?

Massman

12-07-2011, 09:52

ES or retail chip?

matose

12-07-2011, 10:53

We tested UD7 / UD5 / UD3 yesterday and we had the same problems: CPU that did 5200MHz on ASUS R4E / P9X79 WS and ASRock X79 Extreme 4 barely stable at 4800MHz. Fail :(!

Massman

12-07-2011, 11:15

When subzero, it should go just as high as the other boards, btw. The ES did 5300+ on all tested boards here, including UD7.

OBR

12-07-2011, 12:57

subzero results are not argument in common review for home users with air/water setup. We need here same results on all boards, this time is MSI with early BIOS at Ocing better the UD5/UD7 and its a big thing. Ive tested:

Asus Deluxe - 4,8 GHz at 1.44V, 5 GHz 1.5V
MSI GD65 8D - 4,8 GHz at 1.44V, 5 GHz 1.5V
Intel 79SI - 4,8 GHz at 1.44V
Asus RIVE - 4,8 GHz at 1.44V, 5 GHz 1.5V
Giga UD5/7 - 4,7 GHz at 1.47V, 5 GHz no way ... here is problem, awaiting new BIOS with corrections

I suppose, there is problem with some OCP/OVP/Temp protection ... or badly tweaked new VRM

Massman

12-07-2011, 13:17

Yeah, I agree.

Fwiw, the oc issue has been on all bioses I've tested. From F2 to F4c.

matose

12-07-2011, 14:28

When subzero, it should go just as high as the other boards, btw. The ES did 5300+ on all tested boards here, including UD7.

I want to feel the limit of the CPU, not the limit of the board so it's still a fail for me!

BTW, UD7 had also a very bad cold-boot around 0 degrees... not touching that MB again :)

Earthdog

12-07-2011, 14:53

ES or retail chip?Retail CPUs.

Massman

12-07-2011, 18:53

Retail CPUs.

Okay. I'll check with these retails I have here too.

I want to feel the limit of the CPU, not the limit of the board so it's still a fail for me!

BTW, UD7 had also a very bad cold-boot around 0 degrees... not touching that MB again :)

Yeah, cold(boot)bug is a little weird. I remember when testing, I had issues below +15°C at first, but then the board suddenly started booting below 0°C as well. Afterwards again +10°C.

Figured it was some issue on my end. Seems not :-/.

sin0822

12-08-2011, 00:05

put a fan over the VRm heatsink and you'll hit 4.9ghz lol that is what i did when i was stuck at 4.8 lol lol

I think there should be a new BIOS release soon, no? Should fix a lot of these issues. But yea I am hitting 4.8ghz with average setup too.

Earthdog

12-08-2011, 04:07

Stasio just posted the F4d...

http://www.hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=141238&postcount=64

sin0822

12-08-2011, 06:44

good more LLC levels (I was wondering why they skipped between 0 and 60, and then had 80 and 100, there should be 20 and 40 there too! lol, and small BLCk improvement, but i haven't tested much yet.

Massman

12-08-2011, 09:23

sin0822

12-08-2011, 19:12

haha yea true, If I open a window i can hit 5g. lol its not that cold outside, CPU temps were like 13c. But no I agree what you are talking about, im just putting out a suggestion.

Massman

12-09-2011, 12:58

... I don't want to freeze my ass off when benching (if it's not necessary) ...

Been testing F4d now. Got upto 4900 in OS now. Seems a little bit better.

//edit: bclk is WAAAY better now. The ratios are actually working now :)

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//4764-129-1202.png

sin0822

12-10-2011, 01:13

nice yea, my BLCK has improved significantly.

BTW have you noticed that the in BIOS screenshot doesn't work with F4D? or is it just me?

Massman

12-10-2011, 10:48

Didnt' notice. Only noticed I cannot boot up with quad channel anymore; hangs at b7. Triple works just fine.

Massman

12-10-2011, 11:41

Guru3D got 5G stable. How?

http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-x79-ud7-review/

Leeghoofd

12-10-2011, 14:45

"For overclocking itself we reached 4800 MHz in a matter if minutes and 5 GHz after a while. That last step did need some fine-tuning though. Mind you though that we work with vanilla picked engineering sample CPUs, we can never guarantee you'll achieve the same results at home."

You have been Guru3d'ed !!

sin0822

12-10-2011, 19:10

no it is possible, they just have to have a CPU that does higher MHz than ours. Over at OCN we gotta guy on water hitting 5.0ghz 5.1ghz on the UD7 with retail CPUs, i get jealous of him lol, anyways he got a cooler express and went on the leaderboard and posted 5.4ghz screenshot and beat all the 5.2s and 5.3s from R4Es, but he killed the board with his cooler express directed insulation directions.

BTW i can boot fine with quad. Is your CPU C0 or C1?

Hondacity

12-10-2011, 19:51

they g3d never showed 5gh screenshot? which page did they show a screenshot?

sin0822

12-10-2011, 20:24

they did one better and ran their entire bench suite at 5ghz on the UD7. i mean I can believe it, but i like how they say how cherry picked their CPU is.

Conclusion says some about OCing too.

hey does C1 not show anything under stepping? His cpuz screen shows nothing, but mine shows C0?

BTW this is F4D quad: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2141871

best my memory or i guess CPU can do. But i can push BLCk to 128 easily so at least its not limited by that. I used some crap cheap crosair DDR3 2000 XMS kit, I can tighten up those timings a bit. But I think my GPU or OS got corrupted, now any BLCk change wil mess up picture, so i guess i need to swap out the GPU or reformat.

with 1.00 i can get 106blck: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2141832 opposed to like 102 with previous BIOS, but with slight bump in voltage
And 128 here too: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2141909 i think ima try for higher tho with this divider.

sin0822

12-12-2011, 22:12

LLC on new BIOS is superb!

CPUz shows slight change, but DMM slows maybe a few mv(2-3mv) change with 30%, that is like virtual no change with such a huge load. Excellent LLC. These are good improvements, still more improvements are needed, but they got the LLC right!

Chart added:
http://www.overclock.net/image/id/1346860/width/560/height/431/flags/LL

ZoLKoRn

12-13-2011, 01:14

Nice details of sharing sin0822 and thanks for you share it ;)

so what good for LLC setting of your suggestion ? but if see from your chart i think around 30% to 60% will good for select.

btw. well new bios is fixed for 5GHz or still stuck at 4.8GHz ?

Thanks. :)

Leeghoofd

12-13-2011, 01:23

no it is possible, they just have to have a CPU that does higher MHz than ours. Over at OCN we gotta guy on water hitting 5.0ghz 5.1ghz on the UD7 with retail CPUs,

Not the point Sin, if the same CPU can do 5Ghz on eg R4E it should also be able to do it on any other board too...

X79DSI walls at 4.7Ghz here, boots at 5ghz on sabretooth... testing MSI and hopefully the UD5 tomorrow...

Limiting factor is not the CPU...maybe it's Massman :p

for laughs : I know hardwareheaven tell us they have a 5.2Ghz prime stable FX 8150 CPU... never saw a screenshot or sign of proof... words mean nothing...

Btw I don't get the LLC chart : 100% is no loadline if I see correctly ? 1.5 is 1.482 idle... that's the opposite of what I would logically would select in a bios... 100% LLC would mean zero droop/drop to me... darn these taiwanese with their logic keeps surprising me...

sin0822

12-13-2011, 02:01

I didn't say anything to go against what you or massman were saying, i was just pointing out its possible to hit 5ghz on air on the UD7 lol.

the LLC on Gigabyte LGA2011 boards is reserved. the % actually refer to mohm rating that is the slope of the equation for vdroop(the first release BIOS F2 has mohm instead of %), so 0 slope would be no droop under load. 0% is strongest and 100% is weakest. 80% is standard 0.8mohm slope per intel spec, so smaller slope=less droop under load. its confusing i know, its just reversed 100% is most droop. 15% int he chart above is least. look at 30% and 15% and you will see the trend.

BTW those watts aren't measured at the wall, they are measured on the 8-pin connectors for the CPU VR, its not total system power consumption. I think conversion is 85% so .85(the values in the chart) would be more realistic.

littleboy

12-13-2011, 10:36

I updated the ud3 mobo with f5 bios.
This version is better than the previous bios version. ( f5c ).
I test that 3930k raise the clock up to 5Ghz.
I can run the super-pi 1m, impossible super-pi 32m or 3dmark11 test.
I discoverd the trick that it is same as the massman's trick.
But ud3 mobo a little bit different from msi x79-gd65.
PLL Override Function is the state of disabled is more stable.

Massman

12-14-2011, 20:29

Testing F4 final bios now.

It seems to be, again, quite an improvement over the beta bioses released earlier. Still the clock wall, though, limiting this chip to around 4800MHz on (crappy) air even with only two cores enabled. The BCLK overclocking capabilities have improved, giving me a perfectly functionaly 1.25x ratio! Really, no sweat pushing the BCLK anymore. Performance seems solid as well; here's a 4xCF run.

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//20866.png

As you can see, there seems to be no Physics low bug on this one. Before I switched to the UD7, I did some runs on the R4E and my physics at similar clocks was around 14700. Now I sometimes get 15500.

Earthdog

12-14-2011, 22:07

Nice run... I still havent tried 1.25x yet... Any changes from F4d to F4?

dinos22

12-14-2011, 22:21

bclock was worked on in the last bios and some minor stuff

sin0822

12-15-2011, 05:13

yea use F4, its better than F4D for me.

Schnuppl

12-20-2011, 00:46

Hi
Do you have the same problem with ET6? The name of the board and the frequencies .. : (
http://www.abload.de/img/et6klpen.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=et6klpen.jpg)

http://www.abload.de/img/et6_17yqzm.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=et6_17yqzm.jpg)

It is the X79 version of ET6. The problem I have with F4D and F4.

Schnuppl

sin0822

12-20-2011, 02:28

That is the latest downloaded from the website? Did you fully uninstall the previous version before installing this one?

Schnuppl

12-20-2011, 11:37

That is the latest downloaded from the website? Did you fully uninstall the previous version before installing this one?

Yes, the last version. I had uninstalled again and installed a newly installed version. In your case, the display is correct?

Earthdog

12-21-2011, 20:08

Did I miss this 6A reboot loop or something? It seems everytime I hit the multi wall (54x I found) I drop in to this deep 6A boot loop that it seems only time can get it out of... Still on 4d...ud7 is going on the shelf for a bit I think.

sin0822

12-21-2011, 21:29

BIOS F4D? why not F4?

You disable ratio change in OS, and that 6A error should subside.

Massman

12-31-2011, 17:45

Flashed F8d this morning and I'm not too impressed with the latest BIOSes to say the least. Recovery after failed OC is a joke as it takes so insanely much time for the board to get ready to but finetuned again. The BIOS is changing from #1 to #2 and back randomly, it takes two hard reboots to get into the bios (if it doesn't switch in between again) ... sigh.

Gear ratios and CPU frequency seem fine, though, so once you get the board up and running it should work fine. But the BIOS definitely needs more work. They made great progress from F2 to F4; I hope they can repeat the same for F7 to F9 :).

Massman

01-01-2012, 19:38

Some folks had issues getting 4Way SLI to run, I heard. Just did a quick test with the F8d bios and seems to work ok.

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//214xx.png

Massman

01-01-2012, 22:27

So, figured I might as well show what kind of balls I have and give this UD7 a real xtreme OC test. 1.6V+ vcore, 5400+ cpu speed, 3DMark11 4way and Wprime. Here's what happened ...

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//94.536t.png

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//22706t.png

... ehr, nothing happened besides completing the benchmarks and giving me a result to submit to HWBOT :nana:.

I was running about -40°C (IHS on CPU); no problem with CB or CBB anymore. My chip is rather picky on changing BCLK at temps lower than -25°C, which results in a 6A boot failure. Just up temp to -25°C, set the BCLK you want, save and reboot, up the ratio and bench.

System:

- Core i7 3960X
- GIGABYTE X79-UD7 F8d bios
- 4x MSI GTX 580 Lightning Extreme
- 2x 2GB Gskill RipjawsX
- 2x 2GB Gskill Flare
- Coolermaster Silent Pro M1000
- Corsair AX1200
- Huge balls (for trying)

Youtube:

Y1e8hNCrS88

BIOS settings:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/th_110120042009.jpg (http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/?action=view&current=110120042009.jpg) http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/th_110120042005.jpg (http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/?action=view&current=110120042005.jpg) http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/th_110120042001.jpg (http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/?action=view&current=110120042001.jpg) http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/th_110120041954.jpg (http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/?action=view&current=110120041954.jpg) http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/th_110120041950.jpg (http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/?action=view&current=110120041950.jpg) http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/th_110120041944.jpg (http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/?action=view&current=110120041944.jpg) http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/th_110120041939.jpg (http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/?action=view&current=110120041939.jpg) http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/th_110120041932.jpg (http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/HWBOT/X79-UD7%20BIOS/?action=view&current=110120041932.jpg)

Some pictures:

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//2012-01-01-20.06.24.jpg

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//2012-01-01-20.06.38.jpg

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//2012-01-01-20.06.49.jpg

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//2012-01-01-20.07.53.jpg

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//2012-01-01-20.20.13.jpg

http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content//2012-01-01-20.20.37.jpg

So, I guess that's settled then. Onto other stuff.

phillipe

01-02-2012, 00:10

Good Good!

Christian Ney

01-02-2012, 14:07

X79-UD7 doesn't post with a Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 200 GB plugged to any sata port ;)

Strange, when I plug it, the board boots but doesn't post, error code A2.

The X79-UD7 works well with other hard drives

The drive is working well on other boards

Leeghoofd

01-02-2012, 16:19

Board has child protection build in... you are too young to handle it ! :D

sin0822

01-03-2012, 06:46

Hey is it just me, or is performance a lot better now than it was right at release with new BIOS? I am trying to do this review between the G1 Assassin 2 and the UD7, i test everything at 4.5ghz and 1333mhz memory. What I am thinking now is that I had C1E enabled with the UD7, probably throwing off things? My score for P is 6000K+ with the Assassin2, and with the UD7 back then it was only 5500. I went back and checked the screenshot, my numbers are right, the physics score tho is higher on the UD7, and GPU scores is very close on both, but subtests on the assassin2 are off the charts. I am going to go retest, but does C1E make that much difference?

l0ud_sil3nc3

01-03-2012, 07:38

sin0822

01-03-2012, 16:19

yea I should, at that time tho it didn't work with them disabled, but I am trying to figure out if they were disabled or not. I think i delayed running benchmarks until they were all disabled. Well either way it will be interesting. I test SPI pretty similar results.

OBR

01-05-2012, 13:56

last F8b bios is the best, great ocing, stability ... but max voltage is 1.7V (because mosfets) and there is still air clock wall 4.8 GHz ...

dinos22

01-05-2012, 22:35

anything beyond 1.7 is Russian roulette with your CPU

OBR

01-07-2012, 15:19

of course, but why i need 1.45V for 4.8 on Asus board ... and on UD7 1.7V?

04ahgy

03-03-2012, 11:31

See that this thread was quite dead for 2 months. Since Gigabyte released F9 and F10 official BIOS-es, all previously released was removed from the main site. It's interesting. Were they so poor at OCing or bad desing? Still question. I ran through the posts, aned made some quick benching with my C2 3930K and brand new UD7 with the F2 BIOS as it arrived. Results are really bad, the previously written 4,8GHz clock wall occurs that many forum members wrote before. No matter what voltage, no matter what strap. I was just curious, now flashing the F10 official BIOS, and will write soon the results achieved by that.

Bad thinking starts to overwhelm my brain that this board was a bad choice... :(

HGyu

Massman

03-03-2012, 11:39

Yup, the air clock wall is still there.

Massman

03-03-2012, 21:33

sin0822

03-03-2012, 21:37

yea it did that on purpose, that is one thing that i wasn't happy with. The ability not to flash back.

Massman

03-03-2012, 23:11

Switching out my Gskill memory kit for the GTX8 did miracles: DDR3-2400 within 10 seconds and fully stable, LOL. It's a matter of BIOS support, I guess ...

Did manage to improve my 2011 Wprime score, LOL

http://hwbot.org/image/747251.jpg

04ahgy

03-04-2012, 13:13

Been testing the F10 bios for the last couple of hours. It's ehrm, ..., not good. Let's just say I'm happy Ivy Bridge will replace X79 in most benchmarks ...

Also, can't flash back to the F8d bios now because the BIOS image is outdated. F8d worked sort of okay ... not sure what to do now.

//edit: I'm sure Dinos22 will not be happy about this, but I really can't understand this UD7 anymore. Between BIOS releases, there's such a large difference in overclocking capabilities. The board's behavior (debug) is so different as well. Sigh. Well, back to the bios ...

Did you try flashing back from F10 to F8d from DOS? Former boards with SPIFlash allowed flashback via /y or /z parameter (force flash), that Q-Flash from BIOS or @flash at win did not allowed. Perhaps it will work also here. You suggest that I should try the F8d in contrary to F10?

HGyu

04ahgy

03-04-2012, 13:25

Yup, the air clock wall is still there.

Air clock wall is still present but subzero cooling eliminates clock wall? Hmmm, sounds interesting.

Massman

03-04-2012, 13:35

You suggest that I should try the F8d in contrary to F10?

HGyu

Not really. It's just a matter of having BIOS support for your memory kit. This kit did well on F8d, but completely fails on F10 (couldn't get anything to run aside from 'auto' frequency). Swapping out to GTX8 kit pretty much solved most of the memory related issues (DDR3-2400 within a couple of minutes)

Air clock wall is still present but subzero cooling eliminates clock wall? Hmmm, sounds interesting.

It has been the case since the absolute beginning. This 'bug' is present on a lot of boards; had it on the GD65 with 100bclk strap, saw it on the Evga boards, seen it on the GBT line-up, also present on the Biostar boards and so on.

Zolkorn didn't have the bug on the GD65 when using 1.25x BCLK strap, so that might be worth a try on the giga too. Then again, it was possible to workaround this bug on GD65 too with the PLL override method, but that didn't work on giga.

Try with 1.25x bclk multi Massman it will not problem for 5GHz and don't need any special setting or any trick on i tried but if play with 100MHz bclk i can't boot up at 5GHz too with V1.0B12 bios on i tried it about few month ago :)

some result for 5GHz on this board and more results can see here >> http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn/year2011/11/msi_x79a_gd65_8d/index4.htm
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn/year2011/11/msi_x79a_gd65_8d/results/pi32x12_3960x5g_x79gd65.png

04ahgy

03-04-2012, 14:28

Not really. It's just a matter of having BIOS support for your memory kit. This kit did well on F8d, but completely fails on F10 (couldn't get anything to run aside from 'auto' frequency). Swapping out to GTX8 kit pretty much solved most of the memory related issues (DDR3-2400 within a couple of minutes)

It has been the case since the absolute beginning. This 'bug' is present on a lot of boards; had it on the GD65 with 100bclk strap, saw it on the Evga boards, seen it on the GBT line-up, also present on the Biostar boards and so on.

Zolkorn didn't have the bug on the GD65 when using 1.25x BCLK strap, so that might be worth a try on the giga too. Then again, it was possible to workaround this bug on GD65 too with the PLL override method, but that didn't work on giga.

Ah, see. This F10 BIOS seems to do really weird things. If I set 1,5V for the VCore its just fine, using the Extreme LLC the measured voltage matches exactly the set one in BIOS, under light, heavy loads and also Idle, there is just 0,02...0,03V difference. I think that is far above from satisfactory results. :D
But, when I set ALL settings form "Auto" to "normal" in the VRM and voltage control section, then VCore drops to 1,33V, and remains that until I revert changes to "Auto". Really weird.

My memory seem to be okay using both F2 and F10 BIOS, some sticks of MGH-E Hypers.

Also the lack of the naming of the OC profiles is a big drawback.

Then there is the LLC. The BIOS ver. F2 set them by mohm, the F8d sets it via percentage levels, but this F10 version uses preset names for that (but the default indication still named 60%, LoL). I pretend to think that BIOS improvements(??) are a bit unconsideredly and hastily released. :(

04ahgy

03-04-2012, 14:47

Did you try flashing back from F10 to F8d from DOS? Former boards with SPIFlash allowed flashback via /y or /z parameter (force flash), that Q-Flash from BIOS or @flash at win did not allowed. Perhaps it will work also here. You suggest that I should try the F8d in contrary to F10?

Confirmed, that parameters working with spiflash.exe do not work with efiflash.exe. :( I tried it 5 minutes ago. :(

O.C. button does not do anything for me using BIOS version F10: Loaded UEFI Defaults, then save, then poweroff. Pressed O.C. button, booted to windows, and all the clock were the same (wprime1024M)...

Massman

03-04-2012, 15:04

Then there is the LLC. The BIOS ver. F2 set them by mohm, the F8d sets it via percentage levels, but this F10 version uses preset names for that (but the default indication still named 60%, LoL). I pretend to think that BIOS improvements(??) are a bit unconsideredly and hastily released. :(

I think they don't really know what users want exactly. Well, everything's better than "level 1-10" :D

04ahgy

03-05-2012, 17:19

Recently have tested my 3930K CPU in a friend's board, Rampage IV Extreme, 5050MHz 6c/12t easy @ 1,54V... :( UD7 still has this clock wall. I really hope that they will eliminate it soon and / or under subzero it will behave normal.

HGyu

dinos22

03-05-2012, 23:11

my 4.7GHz air chip did 5.3GHz subzero during some magazine photo shoot, it was the first time i took it subzero actually..... so expect a big clock boost when you go cold for sure

04ahgy

03-06-2012, 07:00

my 4.7GHz air chip did 5.3GHz subzero during some magazine photo shoot, it was the first time i took it subzero actually..... so expect a big clock boost when you go cold for sure

I will try it for sure soon, and I will be reporting the results. Do you have some einformation about a new deta BIOS that does the very awaited miracle? :D

Thanks, George

subaruwrc

03-11-2012, 01:27

this board looks a badass efficiency wise but still 100mhz short of R4E on ln2
we tested 04ahgy"s cpu yesterday on the ud7 first. 1.63v 5250-80mhz max not validated. 5300 benchable, 5340mhz max valid on the rampage with only 1.53v. 1.52v 5300 3dv - 3d11 cpu test stable. but from the eff side of things, the ud7 looks real good, maybe im just too rookie to the rampage ..

Massman

03-11-2012, 10:04

FYI, the UD7 is apparently EOL :(

Leeghoofd

03-11-2012, 10:23

talked to Thomas ? he whispered something else :p

04ahgy

03-11-2012, 11:59

FYI, the UD7 is apparently EOL :(

Hmmm, it didn't take so much time to get the EOL status. Lol.

Oliver

03-11-2012, 12:57

FYI, the UD7 is apparently EOL :(exactly, the limited period or QTY release, of the UD7 is over ~

M.Beier

03-11-2012, 17:06

FYI, the UD7 is apparently EOL :(

Old news.

Massman

03-11-2012, 17:12

There's something else in the pipeline, though ... :p

Hondacity

03-11-2012, 17:25

redesign? of course lol

04ahgy

03-12-2012, 15:21

Now dont pretend to wait for any better BIOS updates for the UD7?

M.Beier

03-12-2012, 16:22

There's something else in the pipeline, though ... :p

The S is already official, but, thats for UD5 :-/

Massman

03-12-2012, 16:25

Now dont pretend to wait for any better BIOS updates for the UD7?

I don't think there will be new BIOSes with structural improvements.

Maybe a general update once in a while, but that'll be it.

Massman

03-13-2012, 11:02

I don't think there will be new BIOSes with structural improvements.

Maybe a general update once in a while, but that'll be it.

Guess I was wrong ... new BIOSes for Giga lineup :D

http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=160680&postcount=174

04ahgy

03-13-2012, 12:27

Guess I was wrong ... new BIOSes for Giga lineup :D

http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=160680&postcount=174

I will try it soon. :D Thanks.

04ahgy

03-16-2012, 12:11

Okay, F11a still has a bug, that was also present in the F10. When PCH 1.1V and PCH 1.5V voltages are set to "Normal" in the Chipset Voltage Control Section then the CPU does not receive its voltage set by the user.

Eg. if the above mentioned voltages are set to "Normal" and CPU Vcore is set to 1.4V, then the CPU receives only 1.15V. If these are set to anothet value, then everything is okay.

HGyu

04ahgy

03-31-2012, 13:02

Using F11a BIOS in combination with i7-3820 and of course the UD7. The weird behaviour is the following: After CMOS reset I enter the UEFI setup. Load optimized defaults, reboot, then enter the UEFI setup again. The system is running idle while staying in the setup. Everything is at its default value. NOW pressing any of the the power button (the mounted one at the corner, or the other one of the front panel header) the system hangs totally holding the last screen state on the display. Reset is okay then.

Any newer BIOS?

Thanks, George.

sin0822

03-31-2012, 20:03

you mean you cannot shut down from pressing the power button while in BIOS?

Schnuppl

04-01-2012, 09:48

With 11b my mouse only works horizontally. Do you have the same problem?

Marcolecorse

09-22-2012, 01:25

Hello,

I just built my new setup with

I7 3960X
Gigabyte X79 UD7 OC Bios F10 & F11
4X4 G.Skill TridentX 2400C10
CFX 7970
Alim corsair TX750W monorail 62A
WD Velociraptor 150Go

Unfortunately I can't set my RAM to 2400mhz CAS 10 since my desktop keeps rebooting when I do it.
Tried XMP profile and same thing happens, same with custom mode.
Even 2133 doesn't work.

WIth another kit (Gskill Ripjaws 2133 C9 4x 2GB) I got no problem setting the RAM with the XMP profile @ 2133mhz.

Any thoughts?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?277001-***Official***-X79-UD7-Owners-Club-Discussion-Info/page15