HWBOT Competition Feedback thread

[Massman]

Long overdue: the HWBOT competition feedback thread.

If you have a suggestion for a new competition, liked or didn't like an aspect of a specific competition or just want to say "i won" after a competition ... do it here.

Feedback is, as always, much much appreciated!

[Massman]

Looking forward to the Country Cup feedback. What did you like and (more importantly) what did you not like about the competition :).

[Tiltevros]

need some old school Pcmark Vantage 25-40 min of LN2 for one run :D

[Leeghoofd]

I would love that the greeks no longer participated in giving feedback :p

Hope you guys gonna do a full how to tweak pcmark7 guide... I already lost hours of sleep over this pos... outcome zero lol

[Hondacity]

suggestion: more pcm7 for leeghoofd :P

[zeneffect]

suggestion: 2 submissions per person per stage should be allowed next year.

it gives the potential for every stage fill out with more submissions.

[Hondacity]

+1 davis

its hard competiting against teams with companies backing them up.

some guys can just go to their warehouse...

placeholders? with 4 lightnings 3gb...

insane lol

small countries have no chance.

f1 racing have rules leveling the competition. weight limits. engine limits. etc

a huge competition is fun. but if the rules come out weeks before the deadline is no fun. people have to go hunt on ebay. while others just get hardware from their local stores.

just practicing forum democrazy

[Tiltevros]

how has warehouse guys??? if u say something say it with a name :/

[Hondacity]

It doesn't matter. This is a feedback thread. I'd rather focus on possibilities and maybe push for something good for the next few competitions.

I didn't mean to target teams. apologies for that.

[Massman]

Country Cup isn't supposed to be an F1-type of competition. It's about fun and comradery; just about getting together with some guys to have fun with overclocking. F1 is serious business with huge financial implications (talking about tens of millions of dollars). Comparing both is not valid ... ;)

[Tiltevros]

It doesn't matter. This is a feedback thread. I'd rather focus on possibilities and maybe push for something good for the next few competitions.

I didn't mean to target teams. apologies for that.

apologies accepted


Country Cup isn't supposed to be an F1-type of competition. It's about fun and comradery; just about getting together with some guys to have fun with overclocking. F1 is serious business with huge financial implications (talking about tens of millions of dollars). Comparing both is not valid ... ;)

+1

teamplaying and team effort is everything for us atleast :D

[Lucky_n00b]

+
a huge competition is fun. but if the rules come out weeks before the deadline is no fun. people have to go hunt on ebay. while others just get hardware from their local stores.


Agree here :)

Maybe give the hardware limitation and/or rules around 2 months before competition? (if possible)

And some minor request : Could you make it so that the next year competition is over before Xmas? :p

Anyway, we had fun here :) (except the PCMark stage, 48 hours straight with no result at all LOL :D :D )

[Tiltevros]

Pcmark has a lot of fun if u know things about stability especially ppl who played with PCmark Vantage whitch was 35-45 min per run...

so yes.. i want pcmark V and pcmark 7 next time :D storage section rulezzzz :D

[Hondacity]

Agree here :)

Maybe give the hardware limitation and/or rules around 2 months before competition? (if possible)

And some minor request : Could you make it so that the next year competition is over before Xmas? :p

Anyway, we had fun here :) (except the PCMark stage, 48 hours straight with no result at all LOL :D :D )

I agree massman ruined our christmas...

he is now the grinch of hwbot christmas

[Massman]

Agree here :)

Maybe give the hardware limitation and/or rules around 2 months before competition? (if possible)

And some minor request : Could you make it so that the next year competition is over before Xmas? :p

Anyway, we had fun here :) (except the PCMark stage, 48 hours straight with no result at all LOL :D :D )

Good suggestion. I should add a notice on the hwbot agenda somewhere in July'12 to start thinking about Country Cup :D.

I hear your PCMark pain. Last night from 9PM until 6:30AM ... no result :p

[Tiltevros]

me????????????

[xoqolatl]

Either have next years Country Cup end before Christmas, or do it in January next year. That way we won't have to choose between benching and family :P

[Rasparthe]

Country Cup isn't supposed to be an F1-type of competition. It's about fun and comradery; just about getting together with some guys to have fun with overclocking. F1 is serious business with huge financial implications (talking about tens of millions of dollars). Comparing both is not valid ... ;)

Because this is the focus of the Country Cup, Canada and the US (perhaps Russia too) are at a inherent disadvantage. Canada has 4300km between the two biggest cities, seeing guys complaining about driving 4 hours to meet country mates is somewhat amusing. When the competition becomes more about getting a bunch of guys together and sharing gear to get the best results it puts those without those means at even greater disadvantage.

If the focus is who can pile the most top grade gear or the best cooling options together then the countries unable because of population or distance/size are left not even competing. If the comradery and team overclocking is what Country Cup is about then I'm fine with it. My feedback amounts to wishing it was about finding out which country has the best all around overclockers and not who can centralize their overclocking hardware the easiest.

Like I said, I'm not complaining about the competition (it was a blast and even without changes I'll be 'clocking hard next year) but I would like to see a competition that focuses more on which country actually contains the best overclockers. But just my two cents.

[Hondacity]

yeah i wish massman was in china, leeghoofd in iran, gamer in hawaii, pt1t in mexico

lets see the belgian team bench together lol

comradery my **** lol

[l0ud_sil3nc3]

Because this is the focus of the Country Cup, Canada and the US (perhaps Russia too) are at a inherent disadvantage. Canada has 4300km between the two biggest cities, seeing guys complaining about driving 4 hours to meet country mates is somewhat amusing. When the competition becomes more about getting a bunch of guys together and sharing gear to get the best results it puts those without those means at even greater disadvantage.

If the focus is who can pile the most top grade gear or the best cooling options together then the countries unable because of population or distance/size are left not even competing. If the comradery and team overclocking is what Country Cup is about then I'm fine with it. My feedback amounts to wishing it was about finding out which country has the best all around overclockers and not who can centralize their overclocking hardware the easiest.

Like I said, I'm not complaining about the competition (it was a blast and even without changes I'll be 'clocking hard next year) but I would like to see a competition that focuses more on which country actually contains the best overclockers. But just my two cents.

it is a team competition after all, however I feel you on finding a group to bench with locally, closest person to me is about 8 hours, one way, and we are both in the same state:)

Honda is quite a few hours away as well and Stevero is clear on the other side of the country 3000+ miles away. I feel for how late we all got in it we did great, and you guys (team canada) were on are heels the entire time, guess more planning needs to go in to it to win. I mean I love the fact that Indonesia and Greece straight had a crew of people, benching together and producing awesome results, sounds like a freaking blast:D

yeah i wish massman was in china, leeghoofd in iran, gamer in hawaii, pt1t in mexico

lets see the belgian team bench together lol

comradery my **** lol

lol, oh good stuff man never a dull moment:D

[Leeghoofd]

Well let's take belgium with 5-10 active overclockers, small country... advantage maybe easier to get together... Far harder to get 5 super scores in... ask Pt1t how many times I spammed him on MSN to get a score done... Take USA, what maybe 500-1000 active overclockers ? How many in Canada ? If those countries can't bring 5 high scores together then who can... ?

Main issue in my humble point of view is : Coz there aren't big prices concerned some of the big boys don't compete or don't even bother to defend their national flag...

I've spend cash on a 2nd hand 890X board, A75 board, and i7 860 CPU... just for this compo... I ripped apart my dad's pc to have access to the board and CPU... Think it's a bit narrow minded to mainly focus on the distance between overclockers. it takes me a 4 hour drive to get to my parents and back.

Also that wharehouse overclocker comments ... Honestly would you refuse if a shop borrowed you a CPU or a few GPU's that a brand wants to get exposure for ? Or you have access to gear as a reviewer ? Wouldn't you use it ?

If you refuse it coz it's unfair, good for you. I have a wife kids, 5 goldfish, 2 rabbits and a cat to feed... If I can save money in any way I'll do it... LN2 is already more than expensive enough here...

It all takes planning, in fact quick planning who has got what gear available, access to LN2, etc... We had a good thread from day one of the competition at Madshrimps... XS was a bit slow at first...

Mainly we all pretested stuff (if possible) and just came together coz we only have 2 LN2 dewars. If we all had our own dewars it might have been more of a individual benching session... If the polish, greeks, russians can do teamsessions, so can you... it isn't required to get everybody in the same room is it ?

...just my 2 cents....

[I.M.O.G.]

If I can save money in any way I'll do it...

5 goldfish, 2 rabbits and a cat to feed...

This problem almost solves itself.

[Leeghoofd]

Cat is only 5 weeks, takes some time to devour a rabbit :p

[I.nfraR.ed]

There are always two sides of the coin. Bulgaria is a small and poor country. Just look how many active extreme overclockers we have. The minimum salary for the country is 145euro and the average is something around 350euro (valid for the capital, other cities have way lower average). Prices of everyday goods are not cheaper than any country in the EU. Overclocking is not popular amongst hardware shops, so no sponsors as well, we have to buy everything on our own.

There's nothing wrong with using available hardware. If we had it, we would also use it. There will be always something "unfair" according to different people. We don't compete for the prizes, we just want to show that even little Bulgaria could be on par with the big names in the community. It's about national pride and mostly fun. However I was too frustrated in the end :p.

Anyway, it was my first subzero VGA bench, so I'm quite happy with that. I'm only disappointed from the 3DMark score, but I don't even have a decent DX11 card to pretest and received the second radeon last day of the comp.

The stage that I didn't like was PCMark7. I didn't like the idea from the very begining. It was so frustrating, lol.

[Leeghoofd]

. It's about national pride and mostly fun.

:celebration: Thank you for posting this !! you rock :nana: This is what it is all about... !!

The stage that I didn't like was PCMark7. I didn't like the idea from the very begining. It was so frustrating, lol.

My kids are hypnotised by it, spend days with it... but was not clever enough to find them little things that made it fly...

[Massman]

Question!

One of the reasons why we can organize something like Country Cup or OC Challenges is due to the partners. None of the partners have any say on the set-up of any of the CC/HOC competitions: not on hardware, not on benchmarks, not on duration, not on timeframe and so on. I think it's good, since it gives everyone the opportunity to use whatever he likes.

We're currently putting together a team-based version of the Country Cup. It's pretty similar from set-up but should be longer both in terms of overall timeframe (multiple months) and stage timeframe (more time for each stage). I was wondering how you guys felt about putting a vendor limitation one of the stages of that type of competition.

Note: we (=hwbot) would still be making ALL the decisions regarding benchmark, hardware and timeframe. So, it's not like we'd allow GBT or MSI to have everyone buy their most expensive board for a stage. It would be more something like, ehrm, limiting the CC11 IGP stage to GIGA or MSI boards. The underlying idea being to get the partners involved in OC comps that don't revolve around vendor-only WR attemps.

Feel free to express how you feel about this, but please with argumentation. I know it's easy to shout "hell no", but I'd like to know why you don't want it. Again, the idea is NOT to have the entire competition limited to brands, but just one or two stages, AND that the vendor limitation would not force competing teams to make huge investments to join the stage. No vendor would have any decision-making power; just the ability to see their products being used in a comp.

And no, we don't lose funding if you scream no ... :p

[Hondacity]

you can always divide countries..

multi gpu runs for maximum points... thats so unfair. there is no pride in that. massman even had a placeholder. yey shtt

again a competition is fun if everybody or most have chances..

i'm very impressed with the bulgarian team. beating us to bits lol. everybody had semprons..which is fun

look at the december cup. everybody competed and had the same chance of beating other teams. unfortunately i focused on the country cup.. decreasing my time for that nice yum yum wprime32 quick less than a minute benchmark

again hw selection for competition is vital for having a good competition.

[Leeghoofd]

divide countries ? what are you talking about... ?

It's all about organising and getting people to work together...

FYI Massman and I continued to bench on LN2 with the FX8150... if we had done one run at 6.9 we would have easily nailed 20K with the 4 cards on air... efficiency was über... But we didn't do a full run nor would have submitted as people like you would flame about the lended cards... and FYI our own GTX580 cards do better clocks on the rams then them Extreme models...

[Rasparthe]

I think that is the entire point. If the Country Cup is about which country has the greatest overclockers in the world, the format does not lend itself to proving that. All that it does is prove which country is best at "organising and getting people to work together" and some countries have distinct advantage based on geographic size or densely populated areas.

Does one country using the exact same set of RAM for each of the five scores prove they are the best memory clockers on the planet or that they are the best at getting five guys with DDR3 boards together in a room with one/two guys who knows how to best take advantage of it?

Like I posted earlier if the point is comradery and working together then the later is what the Country Cup is about. I'm fine with it and look jealously on because of the inability to do such things here in Canada (this year anyway). I do wish HWBOT would have a country competition that focused on overclocking a wide variety of benchmarks/platforms that was setup to avoid hardware sharing within a county. Is that possible? Who knows but that is why the HWBOT has staff..... :P

[K404]

I have a question :D I just realised I don't really understand competition points.

Based on this:


As this is an official level 1 competition, competitors will receive points for the final ranking as following:

First place: 10 points
Second place: 8 points
Third place: 6 points
Fourth place: 4 points
Fifth place: 2 points


Is that for each stage of the competition or the final ranking at the end?

Who on each team gets the points?

[Rasparthe]

What happened to the Monthly competitions? Is HWBOT only hosting vendor based comps now? I think my gear has gained a fine layer of dust on it, time to get it back in action! Anything on the horizon?

[richba5tard]

The team cup took over the monthly competitions this summer, but I think you are right that for October there should be a classic HWBOT competition again. I'll poke massman.

[Mr.Scott]

What happened to the Monthly competitions? Is HWBOT only hosting vendor based comps now? I think my gear has gained a fine layer of dust on it, time to get it back in action! Anything on the horizon?
Agreed. I'm bored. Let's go with the monthly's again. :)

[Massman]

Figured the Team Cup would've worn people down, so a month break would be appreciated.

Apparently not, so let's have a quick small HOC this month :D

[Crabby]

Heap Of Crap? :D

[Rasparthe]

Figured the Team Cup would've worn people down, so a month break would be appreciated.

Apparently not, so let's have a quick small HOC this month :D

Nice! Although it has been more than a month since the Team Cup, time to wreck some stuff!

[Gamer]

Hmm, hit me :)

[Electroneng]

Not even a write up or anything on the hwbot team cup that finished in August! Sent out prizes but nothing else. Got beat in a Geforce stage by someone who cheated.

My thoughts are, "be very quite, let's just sweep it all under the rug and hope everyone forgets"!

Competitions have become a joke!

[Massman]

Have reported the 'cheated score' ?

And yes, I always like to add a little comedy to the work I do.

[Lucky_n00b]

btw, how about Country Cup 2012 bro? Is it going to happen? :D :D :D

[Electroneng]

Have reported the 'cheated score' ?

And yes, I always like to add a little comedy to the work I do.

You Banned him already. I will not post the name here because I feel it is improper. The results still stand without any writeup.

http://hwbot.org/competition/team_cup_2012

Geforce 7 series points do reflect the ban! Team points do not! Other teams should have moved up significantly as this user had a lot of the high scores.

Like I said, Sweep it under the rug and hope everyone forgets about it!

[Massman]

btw, how about Country Cup 2012 bro? Is it going to happen? :D :D :D

Yup! :D

[El Gappo]

It's over mate, not worth worrying about.

[Electroneng]

It's over mate, not worth worrying about.

You are right on the mark bro! Going to forget about this and move forward with the team!

[jiccman1965]

looking for the back ground for the team cup comp, the link not working.

[GENiEBEN]

looking for the back ground the link not working.

http://i.imgur.com/XPidgxL.jpg

[jiccman1965]

Thank you.

http://i.imgur.com/XPidgxL.jpg

[jiccman1965]

Anyone getting this error when going to submit a score?

Sorry, an error occured. Please try again or contact the HWBOT crew.

[Massman]

Screenshot?