HWBOT Competition Feedback thread

[Leeghoofd]

Well let's take belgium with 5-10 active overclockers, small country... advantage maybe easier to get together... Far harder to get 5 super scores in... ask Pt1t how many times I spammed him on MSN to get a score done... Take USA, what maybe 500-1000 active overclockers ? How many in Canada ? If those countries can't bring 5 high scores together then who can... ?

Main issue in my humble point of view is : Coz there aren't big prices concerned some of the big boys don't compete or don't even bother to defend their national flag...

I've spend cash on a 2nd hand 890X board, A75 board, and i7 860 CPU... just for this compo... I ripped apart my dad's pc to have access to the board and CPU... Think it's a bit narrow minded to mainly focus on the distance between overclockers. it takes me a 4 hour drive to get to my parents and back.

Also that wharehouse overclocker comments ... Honestly would you refuse if a shop borrowed you a CPU or a few GPU's that a brand wants to get exposure for ? Or you have access to gear as a reviewer ? Wouldn't you use it ?

If you refuse it coz it's unfair, good for you. I have a wife kids, 5 goldfish, 2 rabbits and a cat to feed... If I can save money in any way I'll do it... LN2 is already more than expensive enough here...

It all takes planning, in fact quick planning who has got what gear available, access to LN2, etc... We had a good thread from day one of the competition at Madshrimps... XS was a bit slow at first...

Mainly we all pretested stuff (if possible) and just came together coz we only have 2 LN2 dewars. If we all had our own dewars it might have been more of a individual benching session... If the polish, greeks, russians can do teamsessions, so can you... it isn't required to get everybody in the same room is it ?

...just my 2 cents....

[I.M.O.G.]

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

If I can save money in any way I'll do it...

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

5 goldfish, 2 rabbits and a cat to feed...

This problem almost solves itself.

[Leeghoofd]

Cat is only 5 weeks, takes some time to devour a rabbit

[I.nfraR.ed]

There are always two sides of the coin. Bulgaria is a small and poor country. Just look how many active extreme overclockers we have. The minimum salary for the country is 145euro and the average is something around 350euro (valid for the capital, other cities have way lower average). Prices of everyday goods are not cheaper than any country in the EU. Overclocking is not popular amongst hardware shops, so no sponsors as well, we have to buy everything on our own.

There's nothing wrong with using available hardware. If we had it, we would also use it. There will be always something "unfair" according to different people. We don't compete for the prizes, we just want to show that even little Bulgaria could be on par with the big names in the community. It's about national pride and mostly fun. However I was too frustrated in the end .

Anyway, it was my first subzero VGA bench, so I'm quite happy with that. I'm only disappointed from the 3DMark score, but I don't even have a decent DX11 card to pretest and received the second radeon last day of the comp.

The stage that I didn't like was PCMark7. I didn't like the idea from the very begining. It was so frustrating, lol.

[Leeghoofd]

Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed

. It's about national pride and mostly fun.

Thank you for posting this !! you rock This is what it is all about... !!

Originally Posted by I.nfraR.ed

The stage that I didn't like was PCMark7. I didn't like the idea from the very begining. It was so frustrating, lol.

My kids are hypnotised by it, spend days with it... but was not clever enough to find them little things that made it fly...

[Massman]

Question!

One of the reasons why we can organize something like Country Cup or OC Challenges is due to the partners. None of the partners have any say on the set-up of any of the CC/HOC competitions: not on hardware, not on benchmarks, not on duration, not on timeframe and so on. I think it's good, since it gives everyone the opportunity to use whatever he likes.

We're currently putting together a team-based version of the Country Cup. It's pretty similar from set-up but should be longer both in terms of overall timeframe (multiple months) and stage timeframe (more time for each stage). I was wondering how you guys felt about putting a vendor limitation one of the stages of that type of competition.

Note: we (=hwbot) would still be making ALL the decisions regarding benchmark, hardware and timeframe. So, it's not like we'd allow GBT or MSI to have everyone buy their most expensive board for a stage. It would be more something like, ehrm, limiting the CC11 IGP stage to GIGA or MSI boards. The underlying idea being to get the partners involved in OC comps that don't revolve around vendor-only WR attemps.

Feel free to express how you feel about this, but please with argumentation. I know it's easy to shout "hell no", but I'd like to know why you don't want it. Again, the idea is NOT to have the entire competition limited to brands, but just one or two stages, AND that the vendor limitation would not force competing teams to make huge investments to join the stage. No vendor would have any decision-making power; just the ability to see their products being used in a comp.

And no, we don't lose funding if you scream no ...

[Hondacity]

you can always divide countries..

multi gpu runs for maximum points... thats so unfair. there is no pride in that. massman even had a placeholder. yey shtt

again a competition is fun if everybody or most have chances..

i'm very impressed with the bulgarian team. beating us to bits lol. everybody had semprons..which is fun

look at the december cup. everybody competed and had the same chance of beating other teams. unfortunately i focused on the country cup.. decreasing my time for that nice yum yum wprime32 quick less than a minute benchmark

again hw selection for competition is vital for having a good competition.

[Leeghoofd]

divide countries ? what are you talking about... ?

It's all about organising and getting people to work together...

FYI Massman and I continued to bench on LN2 with the FX8150... if we had done one run at 6.9 we would have easily nailed 20K with the 4 cards on air... efficiency was über... But we didn't do a full run nor would have submitted as people like you would flame about the lended cards... and FYI our own GTX580 cards do better clocks on the rams then them Extreme models...

[Rasparthe]

I think that is the entire point. If the Country Cup is about which country has the greatest overclockers in the world, the format does not lend itself to proving that. All that it does is prove which country is best at "organising and getting people to work together" and some countries have distinct advantage based on geographic size or densely populated areas.

Does one country using the exact same set of RAM for each of the five scores prove they are the best memory clockers on the planet or that they are the best at getting five guys with DDR3 boards together in a room with one/two guys who knows how to best take advantage of it?

Like I posted earlier if the point is comradery and working together then the later is what the Country Cup is about. I'm fine with it and look jealously on because of the inability to do such things here in Canada (this year anyway). I do wish HWBOT would have a country competition that focused on overclocking a wide variety of benchmarks/platforms that was setup to avoid hardware sharing within a county. Is that possible? Who knows but that is why the HWBOT has staff..... :P

[K404]

I have a question I just realised I don't really understand competition points.

Based on this:


As this is an official level 1 competition, competitors will receive points for the final ranking as following:

First place: 10 points
Second place: 8 points
Third place: 6 points
Fourth place: 4 points
Fifth place: 2 points


Is that for each stage of the competition or the final ranking at the end?

Who on each team gets the points?