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Default Re: Cooling: What can we do, what do you want?

I made the proposal here:
Opinion needed: Ideas for next HWBOT revision

Let me know what you think.
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Default Re: Cooling: What can we do, what do you want?

Hello Everybody.

What do I want from the competition rules? Fairness.
I've studied this subject from the very beginning of me on HWBOT. I'm competing for over a year.

Firts thing: I was tuning 2x E5-2696v4 four days to get the Global Record in HWBOT265... and few more days for other benchmarks.WAter Cooling and Air Cooling.
This is information about speed a normal or professional user can get.
Guys from Elite got i9-7960X, for free, ES.
I've lost 100 points. Well now 200...
Elite: can do OC with extreme coolants , are given ES & QS chips.
How to compete with something like that? Does anyone think it's fair?
How can You give global points for something that is strictly unfair. Or this all forum is all about promotion of product...
Promotion that is not giving any true information - There were no test with Air nor water cooling.

Elite: They should be getting other points. Of course those WR should be listed, but not without mark that this is an Elite score, done by paid or otherly rewarded specialist with totally different cooling approach.

Second thing |: You have to be a bad or unexperienced OCer, or totally loose silicon lottery to get worse score on LN2 than with H20, AIO or AIR.
But we compete in Global Points between Leagues.... well, not everybody wan't to use LN2, LH or other impractical cooling solutions. Why? Beacasue for instance it doesn't matter for 99,9% of PC/WS users.

Those two things are that kills the competition spirit - in theory everyone has the same chances. But nope. We don't have same chances now.

My proposition: Make 2 Groups depending on the cooling, and for those 2 groups Global point are dependent from a Group of cooling. The table of scores would be able to be sorted by score or by points
Not much to do: just another descriptor.

1. Extreme--------------------- 2. Conventional
LN2,DICE,LH ----------------- Air, H20, AIO, Glikol, alkohol etc.

Extreme is defined by something which we do not normally have at home.
Conventional is defined by something standard, that we do normally have or could have at home or do by ourselves, would not have to investigate it more often than in 7 days for instance (maybe months..).

Extreme Cooling Group - Elite, Extreme, Apprentice (Extreme Novice)
Conventional Cooling Group - Rookie, Novice, Enthusiast

The Global Points are different fo ES/QS/Unreleased/TBS CPUs (or GPUs) - those are Elite points - and they 're not getting into standard ranking
or ES submission are never getting any points or they're not getting any points until those chips are available on the second hand market and allowed to be used by public.
Still Intel or AMD will give the best to Elite, and so it's still a bit unfair but much more fair than now.

There should be option to tick - Elite Record - and You get Elite Points and it's not getting into World Record nor Global nor HW Points.

The competition would be much tighter and much more intense for sure.
Much more in this competion would be depending from money, much more from the best settings & precise regulation.

Also I would choose the colors for those Groups - Elite - like it is. Extreme - red, Conventional - blue.

What do You think about that kind of an idea?
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Default Re: Cooling: What can we do, what do you want?

I think you're a little misinformed, and I think you're about to be flamed by a few hundred people at least.
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Default Re: Cooling: What can we do, what do you want?

So just curious . is dice still in apprentice and ln2 in different category? nice one...

heres an idea lets remove points on the benches that i need to run the old hardware i bought and lump sub Zero cooling with water ..
oh wait .. you did that last year ...

never mind. ..

just like fantastic 4.. Flame on ;>

* edit .. i respect current admin and I'm happy to follow any rules decided by them. peace.
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Gentlemen,

Mr Scott : You're joking?
sunset 1: Read again and try to understand.

1st : This is in HWBOT Competition - for all submitters.
2nd: This is about cooling.
3rd: Sunset1: Who does use dice for 24/7 or 16/7 or even 8/7 ? Same with LN2...
4th: Mr. Scott. I don't mind being flamed, burned, offended even - that is the human nature - You're defending Your points, understandable.
"Normal" I'd say.

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suzuki - Enthusiast (traitor )

Mr.Scott, please be so kind and enlighten me with the wrongfulness of my statement as I'm unable to do so by myself. As it is my statement and I'm truly into it....

This wasn't a discussion it was a cut. If You could please get a bit more involved.... I'd be thankful.
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Default Re: Cooling: What can we do, what do you want?

I'm actually trying NOT to get involved, as this subject has been beaten to death here already.
The misinformation:
Very, very, few Elites, or anybody else for that matter, get anything for free.
Most of the people that do, actually work in the industry for manufacturers. Testing/benching is part of their job. Hardware samples is one of their perks. Don't tell me that you get no perks at your job, because everybody does one way or another.

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Extreme is defined by something which we do not normally have at home.
Not necessarily true.
You have ice at home right?
What if my home was in Siberia? I'd have access to -50 degree air, and sub zero water.
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I'll throw in - Yes I'm in the apprentice league yet the vast majority of what I've been doing is still on water with plenty of subs to back that up including all of my recent subs.
In fact I don't believe I've benched with DICE for awhile now.

I also don't have the "Northern Advantage" working for any benefit yet I have and still manage to beat subs done on all forms of cooling from air to LN2 while benching my hardware on water.
I'll just say it - You're looking to score E-Z points and they're not coming your way.

Just get over it already.

Although I do wish maybe one day I could give LN2 a try ain't happening anytime soon for me and frankly I LOVE being able to beat guys with more extreme forms of cooling. I know I can't speak for anyone else but as for myself - I do enjoy the challenge of it. It forces me to do better, improve and to keep pushing things to the limit.... And that's not a bad thing.

Whether you like it or not the site isn't here to comform to your personal expectations of.... Anything.
Either accept the fact we're all lumped into the same boat or bail.

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Default Re: Cooling: What can we do, what do you want?

Cannot find the leagues rules on hwbot. If i submit with dice cooling,i will be moved in apprentice or extreme ?


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remind me to sign up an account with Antarctica as my country, claim air cooling on all my submissions.
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remind me to sign up an account with Antarctica as my country, claim air cooling on all my submissions.
You'll be fine. No possible way to prove/disprove temps.
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