Go Back   HWBOT forum > >

General overclocking All things overclocking that doesn't anywhere else


User Tag List

Closed Thread
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Unread 12-10-2016
Splave's Avatar
Splave Splave is offline
Opera aficionado
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UR MOMS HOUSE
Posts: 3,621
Thanks: 401
Thanked 712 Times in 289 Posts
Splave is a name known to allSplave is a name known to allSplave is a name known to allSplave is a name known to allSplave is a name known to allSplave is a name known to all
Default Re: Kaby NDA breaking shame thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam OCX View Post
How do you know that those people / websites have actually signed an NDA? It's just your assumption.
If they didn't, they should be free to publish whatever they want, whenever they want.

I didn't sign any NDA and posted information on Kaby Lake in public months ago. Please shame and sue me.
So if I sign an NDA and my dog writes the review I can post it?
The place where you got the sample from is the one breaking the NDA obviously. I'm sure there are clauses that blanket the distributor and the knowing party as everyone says billion dollar company has lawyers for this type of thing.

Added to the list thanks
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by oc_windforce View Post
you are pi-machine....
  #22  
Unread 12-10-2016
elmor's Avatar
elmor elmor is offline
transformer
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 519
Thanks: 5
Thanked 565 Times in 131 Posts
elmor has a spectacular aura aboutelmor has a spectacular aura aboutelmor has a spectacular aura about
Default Re: Kaby NDA breaking shame thread

If you signed the NDA or not is irrelevant. The effects are longer term/next generation. Lets say Intel starts tracking their ES properly. As Splave mentioned this would hamper development and give very limited options for partners to work with 3rd parties. Ironically media sites would be hit very hard, only those with direct connections to Intel would be able to have content at launch.

The leaks lately are insane, everything is out there. Full reviews and performance of the full Kaby lineup. Every bit of information on Zen. Even X299 is leaked.
__________________
Elmor's lab
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to elmor For This Useful Post:
gavbon (12-11-2016), Lucky_n00b (12-10-2016), Noxinite (12-10-2016), Xtreme Addict (12-11-2016)
  #23  
Unread 12-10-2016
Massman's Avatar
Massman Massman is offline
In the distance
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Taipei
Posts: 22,418
Thanks: 738
Thanked 982 Times in 500 Posts
Massman has a spectacular aura aboutMassman has a spectacular aura aboutMassman has a spectacular aura about
Send a message via MSN to Massman
Default Re: Kaby NDA breaking shame thread

Are the leaks really that much more insane than in the past?Considering the wide availability of KBL (and careless attitudes), I'm surprised there are not more leaks.

As for AMD, I think they had to deal with the wildest leak I've seen in a looong time. That's internal briefing type of information. All things considered, I'm sure AMD is pretty happy about all the leaks and speculation. It's in their best interest that people think something interesting is coming and hold off their purchase till then. The same applies to Intel, actually.

But bottom line is: NDA = NDA, simple as that.
__________________
Where courage, motivation and ignorance meet, a persistent idiot awakens.

For all HWBOT community related questions, contact Christian Ney or Websmile. For any other questions, contact me at pieter@hwbot.org.
  #24  
Unread 12-10-2016
joe_cool's Avatar
joe_cool joe_cool is offline
maintenance bot
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 43
Thanks: 3
Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts
joe_cool
Default Re: Kaby NDA breaking shame thread

This Thread Is for me like "some Elite overclocker" are scared to lost their advantage of 99.99% of all other overlockers.
So what? I don't care... loosing their advantage would end up in a fair competition.
__________________
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to joe_cool For This Useful Post:
rtsurfer (12-10-2016), TerraRaptor (12-10-2016)
  #25  
Unread 12-10-2016
FUGGER FUGGER is offline
construction bot
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 63
Thanks: 6
Thanked 27 Times in 14 Posts
FUGGER is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Kaby NDA breaking shame thread

Some leaks are not "leaks"

I have been allowed in the past to show early with permission.

As a site owner I would see other sites leak and feel the same way Allen does wondering why the manufacturer doesn't take action. The answer is they do. For a few, sampling was terminated, at least one made monetary reimbursement when product was not returned (not me), and absolutely nothing be done with constant abuse (coolaler).

John Lam snuck into an event and took pictures then posted them violating an embargo on that product. He was black listed by Asus to attend the events happening, we watched as he was told to leave. I am sure Asus has not forgotten this. I use this example as he is an known overclocker and his actions had instant results.

Freecableguy broke NDA with Intel, XS had an event that he attended and was denied entry into JF3.

Allen speaking up might prevent others
  #26  
Unread 12-10-2016
Alex@ro Alex@ro is online now
robot overlord
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Romania
Posts: 1,162
Thanks: 101
Thanked 296 Times in 126 Posts
Alex@ro will become famous soon enoughAlex@ro will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Kaby NDA breaking shame thread

Deal with it,if Intel doesn't care why should we ?
  #27  
Unread 12-10-2016
rtsurfer rtsurfer is offline
robo cop
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 359
Thanks: 269
Thanked 125 Times in 78 Posts
rtsurfer
Default Re: Kaby NDA breaking shame thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3 View Post
It really just boils down to being a man of your word. If you signed an NDA you should follow it, it's that simple.
I have no problem with this. Neither do I encourage breaking NDA. Issue is the people trying to act holier than others and trying to enforce NDA like they are Intel or something. Its Intel's contract, if they want it enforced, they can do it themselves. Intel wants to sue people, they can do it, no one is stopping them. You think Intel doesn't know who leaked the stuff. You think they don't have some department which handles this and tracks the leaks? They do. So all that is being done here, is a show is being put on.

We've got people here telling don't break NDA in public, just do it in private, because you know, that still makes you, "A man of your word". The hypocrisy is hilarious.

Quote:
Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3 View Post
It has nothing to do with maintaining superiority, it's a legally binding contract and I don't know about you but I would prefer to not have to deal with any litigation over my hobby.
Only the public leakers are being targeted, no one cares about private ones. How is this not about maintaining superiority.? Because the way I see it, public leakers are gonna anger Intel, they gonna crack down on everyone, to the point of even the private people barely having any info. And that is why they care, don't give me other BS. People just want the heat off their backs by sacrificing others.

Quote:
Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3 View Post
It honestly just sounds like your a little butt hurt you don't have a prelaunch CPU source because believe me if you were on the other side of the fence I'm sure you opinion about leaking NDA information would be completely different but hey I could be wrong.
I am not butt hurt, and I have plenty of prelaunch info sources. I just realize that, that information puts me in an advantageous position over the others. And I would like to share that with everyone, if I could without endangering my source, but I can't. So I am all for others who can do it.

Everytime I see an ln2 Binned Skl chip for sale for more than 450-500Euro, I can't help but roll my eyes. I know what I need to know about Kaby, just not worth putting my friends in danger to demonstrate to you that I know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3 View Post
Also people want to slam Intel and throw them under the bus for everything but if you guys had any idea how much they do for over clocking that you guys just take for granted you would be shocked, but it's just so much easier to just complain instead.
They are not doing it for charity. And don't tell me otherwise unless you have internal Intel financial information that proves that they are doing stuff for Overclocking without profiting off of it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER View Post
Allen speaking up might prevent others
Public shaming and threatening to report to Intel seems like a hell of a way to protect people. The people who did the leaking already know what they are messing with. If you wanted to protect them, could’ve been done via PM. They are already on Intel’s radar after the leaks anyway.
__________________
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to rtsurfer For This Useful Post:
Mr.Scott (12-10-2016), xoqolatl (01-10-2017)
  #28  
Unread 12-10-2016
der8auer's Avatar
der8auer der8auer is offline
HWBot Staff & Forums Administrator
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Berlin
Posts: 3,406
Thanks: 206
Thanked 560 Times in 178 Posts
der8auer has a reputation beyond reputeder8auer has a reputation beyond reputeder8auer has a reputation beyond reputeder8auer has a reputation beyond reputeder8auer has a reputation beyond reputeder8auer has a reputation beyond reputeder8auer has a reputation beyond reputeder8auer has a reputation beyond reputeder8auer has a reputation beyond reputeder8auer has a reputation beyond reputeder8auer has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via MSN to der8auer
Default Re: Kaby NDA breaking shame thread

The attitude of some guys (in this thread) is truly shocking. Over the years I often had access to hardware prior launch without signing NDA - still I did not post it in public. Do you guys even understand that people in this industry can lose their jobs because of your actions? And I'm not talking about individuals who give out hardware. It's the impact your information can have on the IT market in general.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Massman View Post
It's in their best interest that people think something interesting is coming and hold off their purchase till then. The same applies to Intel, actually.
This is actually a huge problem. From a distributor point of view I can see a significant impact from leaks on hardware purchases. Do you think it's good for the IT industry if customers hold off their purchases for months? Especially considering that leaks often don't reflect the actual performance or hardware details so potential customers get a wrong impression of what might come up in future.

It's very shortsighted from all pages who leak this kind of info to think this would be beneficial. For sure you will have your clickbait hype for a day but in the end you burn yourself if you play with fire. I can only hope that these people don't get support anymore in future. You can be sure that I use my contacts to spread out who to trust and who not to.

Talking in private with other overclockers - fine. Posting full reviews in public with performance numbers - nogo

The fact that Intel is very sloppy when it comes to NDA doesn't mean that it's the right thing to share everything in public. However, it's still Intels problem and if they want to pretend these leaks they have to take care of where they ship their CPUs prior launch and maybe start punishing ppl who break NDA.
__________________

Last edited by der8auer; 12-10-2016 at 22:34.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to der8auer For This Useful Post:
gavbon (12-11-2016), l0ud_sil3nc3 (12-11-2016)
  #29  
Unread 12-11-2016
Splave's Avatar
Splave Splave is offline
Opera aficionado
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UR MOMS HOUSE
Posts: 3,621
Thanks: 401
Thanked 712 Times in 289 Posts
Splave is a name known to allSplave is a name known to allSplave is a name known to allSplave is a name known to allSplave is a name known to allSplave is a name known to all
Default Re: Kaby NDA breaking shame thread

You guys just aren't getting it. The first people that will pm why this feature isn't working right or why doesn't this RTL work or how come the mem is clocking so poorly are the same people championing leakers.

If with full access before launch there are these issues think about if there was no access.

"This Thread Is for me like "some Elite overclocker" are scared to lost their advantage of 99.99% of all other overlockers.
So what? I don't care... loosing their advantage would end up in a fair competition"

I guess it would be better if things were not tested before hand? I think that would probably not go well
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by oc_windforce View Post
you are pi-machine....
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Splave For This Useful Post:
Gunslinger (12-11-2016), speed.fastest (12-12-2016), xoqolatl (01-10-2017), zeropluszero (12-12-2016)
  #30  
Unread 12-11-2016
Massman's Avatar
Massman Massman is offline
In the distance
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Taipei
Posts: 22,418
Thanks: 738
Thanked 982 Times in 500 Posts
Massman has a spectacular aura aboutMassman has a spectacular aura aboutMassman has a spectacular aura about
Send a message via MSN to Massman
Default Re: Kaby NDA breaking shame thread

Has anyone seen a big leak from a YouTube channel or any other form of media aside from web publications?
__________________
Where courage, motivation and ignorance meet, a persistent idiot awakens.

For all HWBOT community related questions, contact Christian Ney or Websmile. For any other questions, contact me at pieter@hwbot.org.
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Plastic roads may put asphalt to shame hwbotrss Tech News RSS 0 07-20-2015 16:10
Inflame: Who's to blame for iCloud shame? hwbotrss Tech News RSS 0 09-07-2014 12:20
Restaurant Uses Twitter To Shame People hwbotrss Tech News RSS 0 03-27-2013 12:10
such a shame..... ncc-1709 General overclocking 4 03-28-2007 12:16


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 14:10.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright HWBOT 2004 - 2015