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Default TPP. This goes against the principle of encouraging benching

Long title, but I really can't see how a scoring system that can take points away from a team for submitting new scores is good for the hobby/ sport.

Are we all meant to sit down with a pen and paper to work out in advance if our bench session will help the team in any way, and what minimum score we have to get to avoid costing the team points?


Two things are gonna run through a persons mind:

1/If this hardware is anything other than great, it wont help the team.
2/ I can take personal bests and submit them.... and hurt the teams bottom line.

This is no way to help overclocking reach wider audiences.


It's a minefield..... and i'll be honest.... it's not a well-marked one.



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Huh? How can a team LOSE boints?
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what is the formula for the tpp? i can't find it
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K404, you don't loose points. Either you beat your team's previous best global/hardware results and gain some points or not and gain only user points which give 10% to your team. I can't see a way to lower team's TPP.

But what sucks is that I can't see team power points, only their sum. I want to see rankings pretty much like the user ones. And I need them pretty more than user ones.
Rankings, what points did my team get with who's submission and what teams are higher. All like the user rankings. So I can get a calc and be sure that a teammate having 4-5 times less points in user profile along with 10x higher team contribution is not a bug and how did he achieve such a condition.
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AFAIK the top score pr HW ranking pr team counts 100% for the team, but the rest 10%. So if you have the 1st place for like 8800gt singlecard 01 you give your team 50 boints, but if a teammate holds the 2nd spot, his/her contribution to the team will be 4.2 boints or something like that (10% of 42, or what 2nd is worth)
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Bruce, were you replying to me? He doesn't have h/w results higher than mine and has a lot of global team points. I can now see h/w rankings for teams. But still can't see a teams power points list of submissions.
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But what sucks is that I can't see team power points, only their sum. I want to see rankings pretty much like the user ones. And I need them pretty more than user ones.
There's a 'best of team' filter on every ranking page. Using that option, you can see all TPP scores and rankings.
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Long title, but I really can't see how a scoring system that can take points away from a team for submitting new scores is good for the hobby/ sport;
You don't ever lose points by submitting more results.
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There's not a clear definition on the HWBot between the following:

Team Power Points for HW
Global Team Power Points

which may be causing the confusion.

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E.g. Person X and Y are both benching two CPUs A + B.

Person X has the best score on CPU A, gets global TPP and normal TPP.
Person Y has the best score on CPU B, gets global TPP and normal TPP.

If Person X submits a better score than person Y on CPU B, but not as good as his own score on CPU A, the following happens:

Person Y loses all his global and normal TPP on CPU B for not being number one in his team for CPU B.
Person X gains normal TPP on CPU B, but no global TPP on CPU B because his score on CPU A is better.

So team points now loses those extra global TPP.

Something like that in this mire of unclear point scoring.
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It's hard to find examples, partly because no-one has their team listed in each submission but could this be tried on the test server?:

Remove Sams CPU-Z with the Celeron 356? Mr Lobber is below him in the ranking and Sam has a better raw frequency with his 352.

Test server would show the influence of that single adjustment without todays new submissions skewing with things


Or, try removing some Benchtec Q6600 scores because there'll be better global in the 2600K


I dont know if these examples will work, i'm sure the concern about losing points won't work for every single situation


Maybe theres a "crossover point" in each ranking..... maybe things make sense around 6th place or 10th or lower.... what if this happens between scores that are gold and silver in a very popular category?

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