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Default Why is Ryzen 8 core against FX CPU's??

I've noticed in the last 2 rounds of Challenger Division IV that the Ryzen 7 is in with the older AMD FX cpu's.

This basically renders the FX's useless for the competition as they aren't really competitive even against the R3 or R5's. Surely the R7's should be in the same division as the other Ryzens as on the odd occasions they can beat them, or the R7's should be against an equivalent CPU such as those on X99 from Intel.

I just find it annoying as I purchased an FX8320 earlier in the year purley for the Challenger Division IV competitions now it is pointless even bothering to upload a score as anyone without an R7 will be nowhere.

Other than that HwBot is a great league and site...

I still say that OC sports points achieved in Rookie Rumbles & Novice Nimbles should be removed when moving up to the next league though as it throws the tables out.
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Default Re: Why is Ryzen 8 core against FX CPU's??

We cannot give each outdated cpu generation its own challenger division. Core i7 4770k is farly useless against skylake, skylake can´t beat Kabylake, and so on. That´s technical progress, we will have to regroup all divisions anyway after season is over because amd and intel changed name patterns, core counts and so on. On Rookie and novice points for rumbles, eocports point are counting towards the ranking 12 months from date they were won, so this problem solves itself like with all eocsports points. I have no idea why you see any problem with this, it is balanced this way for years now
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Default Re: Why is Ryzen 8 core against FX CPU's??

Just found it annoying when I was in enthusiast league and in 3rd or 4th place in the UK when a novice would come up and move me down before dropping back behind me a few months later when their rookie OC sports points were removed.

Then it would happen again, decent points are really hard to come by if you can't afford to constantly buy new hardware on air & water in those early years.

If there were some enthusiast only competitions that might even things up a bit.

I'm not personally that bothered now as I'm looking to go into the extreme league using LN2 soon but just think that overclockers need to be looked after at each level to keep them interested.

I agree that the older i5's and i7's won't beat modern versions but at least a chiller or dry ice will even things up a bit where an FX on LN2 is still going to get white washed by an 8 core Ryzen run by a rookie on a stock cooler.

AM3+ is still my favourite platform to play with so maybe I'm a bit biased but I don't see Ryzen 7 as it's natural competition. Athlon II, Phenom II & FX vs Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge and Haswell would be more interesting especially as most hardened overclockers will own at least 2 of the platforms and probably half a dozen CPU's.

I'll be overclocking however you decide to carry on, just trying to make constructive sugestions. People all over YouTube are arguing about AMD vs Intel so competitions that could pit the two against each other with benches that take advantage of each CPU's abilities would make the HwBot scene a bit more relevant to the mainstream users and gamers.
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Default Re: Why is Ryzen 8 core against FX CPU's??

I am always happy about input - the ryzen "problem" is because after long years AMD finally released a revolutionary new platform, the step was much bigger as on Intel 1150 for 1151 for example. It is nearly impossible to handle this in a way everyone is happy and it is fair, it was the best compromize we could get. Latest launches and the way some of them were handled make life really complicated for hwbot especially at planning stuff like rtp or team cup, apart from the big changes we also fight paper launches and delays on some platforms, so we can only hope to minimize damage this sometimes has on fair play and fun at competitions.
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Default Re: Why is Ryzen 8 core against FX CPU's??

i personally think the fx cpus would be best matched against ryzen 5 as well. maybe for next years div rounds you can move fx to the div vi with r5 and r5 v2(if thats a thing :P) and ryzen 7 and ryzen 7 v2 can be div iv?
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Default Re: Why is Ryzen 8 core against FX CPU's??

The problem is they marketed fx as 8core chips when in reality it should have been marketed as 4c/8t cmt.

Can not take that back once you state it as a true 8 core.
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