Whats going on with Team Crazy-OC Germany?

[jurek]

Originally Posted by Massman

You say you'll stop benching when you reach 300 HW points, while when you keep benching, you still help the team.

kingpin helps the team withou loosing personal points

[Massman]

I don't understand you last two comments, Jurek

[jurek]

Originally Posted by Massman

I don't understand you last two comments, Jurek

first was to stealth

second was to You meaning that kingpin gains points for himself and for team making global boints and guy who reaches 300 boints on hardware has no chance of gaining more persolnal boints and all he can do is to help team

[jurek]

12600? whats your point here? if most are not active

[jurek]

on which formula u base it?

[knopflerbruce]

Originally Posted by jmke

my point is clear; it's not yet time to up the 300 HW points limit

The reason why the limit was created was to eliminate quantity benchers to get into approx. the top 10's, maybe 20's (that's what it sounded like when I read the old threads from when v2 was released at least). Even if you double the limit we're no threat to the top 20 Now we struggle to get into the top 150

In some way I understand your 79 of 12000 argument, but I'm sure that no more than 79 people had serious issues before the limit was created either, so if you need the majority to actually have a problem with something before you change it, I'd say the limit shouldn't be raised - it should be removed, as it was obviously a mistake to create it in the first place. (longest sentence ever... sry)

I have another suggestion, too. Could you make an "overall league", which would be as if there were no limits? For some reason I just don't feel that it's alot of prestige to have a high rank on the HW masters list. No-one ever mentions it anywhere, like it doesn't exist... It's like 1 Bundesliga vs. Oberliga Maybe such an overall rank would make it a bit more interesting, as you fight the whole bot, not just the ~100 who try to get hardware points. As a result, you may get alot more results for older HW which have maybe 1 or 2 entries per bench today, which wouldd be great, right?

[T_M]

Originally Posted by knopflerbruce

No-one ever mentions it anywhere, like it doesn't exist...

Probably because most benchers dont think finding some obscure 1995 CPU that no one else has benched SuperPI on, running it once and getting #1, as skillful or interesting.

[knopflerbruce]

Originally Posted by T_M

Probably because most benchers dont think finding some obscure 1995 CPU that no one else has benched SuperPI on, running it once and getting #1, as skillful or interesting.

True, true... but there are very few scores of that kind Once you have like 8-10 results usually one or two got a "golden" chip and maxed it out. What's the effort worth? 2.7 points and a slightly higher rank in a list that "no-one" cares about Even if you showed just as much skill as someone who got a 7.7s score in superpi1m on an LN2 cooled E8500-rig.

If you disagree with me when I say it's hard to get #1 spots for old HW, I invite you to try to beat my scores for example

[T_M]

unfortunately all your scores are AMD so i cant try

[komadyret]

I tell you, hwbot isn't fair. It will never be.
The whole design is too simplified to take into account every hardware configuration. Benchers with 2 cards, totaling 3 gpu's are forced to enter their scores as if they used 4 gpus, instead of competing against similar setups. Even the points distribution logaritms are unfair from some viewpoint.

But to limit the total of hardware points one can be ranked with is like saying that one guys effort is inferior to anothers, just because the first guy spends days refining and benching old hardware (which undoubtly takes much longer time. Have you ever tried to run the long pis on a Pentium or Pentium 2 or a K6-2 only to have it crash after 3+ hours?) and the second guy spends a few hours fiddling with insulations and rips out some impossible clocks in just a few hours thereafter. (phew, that was a long one)

I must agree that it is totaly unwanted to raise the limit for hardware points, the limit should be removed. It will not pose any threat to anyone in the top 10, 20 or probably even top 50 anyway, and it will increase the prestige of the hardware-junkies lists.

I don't say I have to solution to hwbots problems. If I had, I'd launch my own site, but there should be room for discussion and brainstorming, and a fair bit of common sense. There are always room for improvements.