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HWBoints Adjustment #1: 3D WR Bonus
From the feedback we received after launching the actual HWBoints Rev3 product, we noticed two big problems. The first was the low reward for breaking the overall world records. Since pushing the limits at the absolute top of the benchmark rankings does require skill and effort, two of the main ideas behind rev3, not awarding big numbers indeed doesn't sound right. So, we have whipped up a fix that is supposed to, well, fix this.
What benchmark applications? As the name already indicates, this is only applied to the 3D benchmark applications because that's where the main issue is located. Running 5 pots under LN2 (1CPU, 4GPU) is a hell of a work and should be rewarded accordingly if the score turns out to be great. Benchmarks applicable: - Aquamark - 3DMark01 - 3DMark03 - 3DMark05 - 3DMark06 - 3DMark Vantage One might ask, why not do it for all benchmarks. Well, single-category benchmarks, such as SuperPI and Pifast already discriminate the world records from the non-world records as they are all in the same ranking. In other words, the top score will get the most points. For Wprime, this could've been a solution as well, although this benchmark doesn't scale with skill per definition. World records are set using a highly expensive server; rewarding financial input is not a key characteristic of the Overclockers League. PCMark05 might also apply for this rule, but as far as we can see, the top scores are already awarded the top points as well. Points distribution? As the name already suggests, this is a bonus to reward 3D WR attempts, not to reward buying expensive systems. So, these points are awarded based on the world record page, which contains the results of HWBoints-participants users, the non-participating users and the scores using unreleased hardware which receive no points. ALL of these scores have an affect on the 3D WR bonus; in other words, if someone breaks the world record using unreleased technology, then this will affect the 3D WR bonus points. Why? These points are WR points. World records are what they are: world records. They are not based on anything related to 'being fair' or anything related to this concept. The rankings that are fair fall under the HWBoints algorithm. Now, points are awarded to the best 20 scores of each benchmark application, as an added bonus to the existing hwboints. The points are awarded as follows: We've added a poll to see if everyone can live with this. If you have any comments, don't hesitate to throw a reply into the thread. But please, keep it civil and understandible. For complaints, go here.
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01-06-2010, 11:21
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Sounds good, imho. That makes sense to bench top CF and SLI for WRs. And as far as 01 & AM are mostly cpu dependant in case of hi-end gpus, that would suit as single GPU benchers, so multi GPU fans in case of 03/05/06 and Vantage. I.e. you can get your bonus using single GPU, so you can get your bonus in case of CFX.
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01-06-2010, 12:25
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That is bonus. It would be added to general hwpoints. It is just a reason to get higher.
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01-06-2010, 12:28
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01-06-2010, 12:38
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I voted against. The top score is always going to be a world record, theres already a points bonus by being No.1 over No.2 etc
The top rankings are also dominated by guys who arent buying their own gear, It... doesnt feel right to award them further for pushing things that most guys cant, because they've had to pick which new toy they can afford with their payslip. Thats not meant as a disrespect to the guys involved... it just doesnt feel right to me. A while ago I had an idea to reward those who take all the No.1 spots in a given category. That idea got shot down... I think this has less merit.
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01-06-2010, 12:52
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sounds interesting but it has some minor problems: does not fix the problem of low 2x / 3x hwboints (e.g. ranked top20 with 2x 260 GTX @LN2 in 01 SLI) as it will mix all numbers of GPUs as far as I understood. As it is a "one-time-Bonus" it will only help some guys at the top to extend their lead maybe but unlikely help to balance the single-gpu weight. And 10th get's 20 points while first gets 150 - no doesn't sound good for me to balance anything, before doing strange things like that better leave it out.
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01-06-2010, 12:57
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While I am all for rewarding world records, I think the current Rev 3 already does this. This "extra" points total would take things too far.
For example, take the Aquamark #4 postion, 1x HD 5970, stock cooler, not overclocked. http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=925857 Scores 29 points already, with this change it would score 110 points I think that's too much.
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