Gallup: How much grinding allowed?

[HeavyH20]

Oh, no, you have revealed my plan! :D

[HeavyH20]

Well, maybe they should simply group things a little more. I mean, P4 1.8A, B and C revs as a separate category really splinters the competition. A P4 1.8 is a P4 1.8. Keep the revs out of it.

[Gorod]

Originally Posted by HeavyH20

Oh, no, you have revealed my plan! :D

lol :D

Originally Posted by jmke

and how is going through all that effort to benchmark hardware not worth points at the bot? your time and effort invested in filling the database with benchmark scores should be rewarded to give incentive , these 2 pointers do exactly that.

$10*100 is still not quite cheap:)
add mobo cost and we're talking high end cooling gear

Why buy one X6800 or QX6700 and face a serious competition that requires Cascade/LN2 cooling and lots of work , skill and experience ;) for only what - ~ 200 points when you can just bench stock clocked (theres no competition so no need to overclock and tweak much :P ) Celerons and score hundreds of points without breaking a sweat ;) .

add mobo cost and we're talking high end cooling gear

Why do you need high end cooling if most of them are "virgin" or have barely any form of competition (except a few CedarMill Celerons :)) ? Mostly all you need ... is bench them stock clock with BOX heatsink ... :P:lol:










See the difference ? > There are 2 ways to score points on hwbot right now , 1 "straight" and respectable way by benching challenged hardware and facing a real competition (All videocard categories including old models and newer CPU's ) and 1 lame/gay/easy :rolleyes: way by exploiting the fact that HwBot has insane number of ancient unchallenged cpus in its database and benching all those hundreds and hundreds of old Celerons , P1's , P2's , P3's , K5's , K6 , K6-2's , Durons ... you name it ... :/:D

[aicjofs]

Only problem with this 101 Celeron logic in my opinion is that if it is so easy to get points then everyone would be doing it and the database would be full but it's not, so it must not be that easy or no one care about boints enough to spend $1000 on old systems. There is lots of unchallenged hardware getting 2 points I know but if as in the Celeron example and it was easy as descibed and everyone did it then it would become competitive just to get those 2 points. I think natural selection will take it's course, some people will try to get the easiest points, and eventually have to fight over the easy points with the others trying to do the same thing.

I do think some of the really old hardware should get say 1 point instead of 2. Say under 1000Mhz CPU's or something. I'm not saying it's not an issue at all, I'm just saying it doesn't seem out of control to me(ALL of the top 20 are not benching just old hardware, if that was the case I would say change it up ASAP), and my guess is human nature will return balance to the issue.

[jimwah]

I did write a long post, but it was quite boring, and probably ill-informed, so instead I now have this:

It seems vaguely apparent to me that the question here is about what hwbot is aiming to focus on - either...

1> A Library of computer performance, old, new, rare & common.
2> A Leaderboard of overclocking ability, paired with the performance of the latest hardware.

That's kind of how I'm seeing it at the moment. Whether these two functions should be entirely seperate, or whether a reward system that can serve both purposes exists, is where I step out & the clever people step in :P

[Saucy]

We could group by cores, as I suggested a while back. Venice 3200 competing against venice 3400, there's no reason not to. But something like this should not replace the current style of competition, but be an addition to it. As jmke said, however, its more work.

[Hak Foo]

I agree, Saucy.

The core is far more determinant of potential performance than the stock speed.

A Palomino-core XP2000+ is lucky to crack 1750MHz but I'd expect a Thoroughbred based one to easily pierce 2000.

There will only be minor differences in peak results between the different speed grades on one core, likely due to multiplier limits (starting with a higher multiplier will avoid needing sky-high bus speeds).

And with some flavours (the unlocked and easily unlocked K7 chips, anything on Socket 5 or 7, any FX chips), even that is neutralised.

[K404]

I didnt read all the replies in this thread

What about a minimum number of entries from different users to be eligible for points? The gold stars can remain, but no points for benching hardware with no competition?

Better yet...to help stop inner-team hardware sharing, make it a requirement that theres competition from at least 3 teams as well?

[THRASHER2]

Why are members Haten on old hardware benching? If you have it BENCH IT.


Long Live the 2Pointers :lol:

[Massman]

Originally Posted by THRASHER2

Why are members Haten on old hardware benching? If you have it BENCH IT.


Long Live the 2Pointers :lol:

You gotta admit, there's a diffirence between benching older hw and just submitting stock benches to gain points.

I myself have a lot of entries, but most of the results are overclocked results, so I feel like I deserve the points.