Xtreme Addict, yes E8500, E8600 were hard to sell, but the cheaper E8200, E8400 to go back in the past E2140(100%) oc, these cheap cpu's inspired this madness of overclocking into many of these great overclockers of today.
Also to reduce the memory ratios to 2133 when all Z87MB have up to 2800memory suported it's a nonsens.
There are cheap 110-120$ Asrock Z87 mb. There are so many cheap 2400 80-100$ memory kits, by default.
May be even some workstation(non k CPU'S) could benefit from 2666 memory even if not so much.
Anyway you put it's an ofense to consumators.
BCLK ratios, mem dividers, are all cut, DISABLED even if they are naturaly supported.
And it's not like they give you the cpu at half price, it's just 20-30$ cheaper.
And also even the K' are not complete Cpu's, they have disabled two instruction, VT-d, Intel® TSX-NI, so anyone who uses these also is in disavantage with K' cpu-s these instruction are available only on non K.
And for non K Cpu's it's a big step down compared with IB non K
So SB/IB non K had unlocked 4 bins above max TURBO, so 400Mhz more, and unlocked memory, 2600-2666 worked in generaly.
Haswell - no more 400Mhz above turbo, 2133Mhz max memory, so it's clear more or less equal with IB + some 400Mhz oc and higher memory oc.
Did anyone see a reasons for someone who has IB non k to upgrade to Haswell non K - There i none.
You can't even have fun with a 4GHZ low 32M challange, you can test the motheboard or the memory(max frecuency) with a non K cpu.
So guys at RMA should have now for testing a 2400Mhz memory kit, an K cpu instead of cheapest i5 cpu with unlocked memory?
It's just lame from AMD.
Anyway you put it Haswell it's a big dissapoiment.
Last edited by bog_xdan; 06-17-2013 at 01:11.