The Poll: Allow E.S. or disallow ?

[knopflerbruce]

Originally Posted by BenchZowner

In a dream world it would make sense, but you know knop, when Andre, Nick and 2-3 more people bin 50 at least E.S. and on ebay there are like 30 E.S. available... tell us, what's the real-life scenario.
I assume you don't believe that Andre eats all those rejects for dinner...

Let's say that I want to bin Q3FE's.
And let's also assume that none of the Q3FE's sold on ebay are pretested by another bencher.
How many Q3FE's can I find on ebay or any other place on the net that you can buy from with some sense of security ?
I'm willing to spend 50k$ on Q3FE's, can you find them for me ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-i7-980X-Gu...item1e5c532d8b this guy has 4 of them. Pretty good feedback as well. If you want warranty, buy a retail chip. There's also a cheap Q3FE there. Feedback = "some sense of security".

No warranty on engineering samples ofc, but that's how the game works...

I can't tell how many samples Intel even made... and neither can you. I bet Andre didn't put everything on ebay, he could've sold them through forums or personal contacts or whatever.

[Splave]

@knopf, thats the guy I bought mine from. He bins for the top dogs (nickshi etc) and post the rejects on ebay (we had 10-20 emails back and forth about it). Mine wouldnt even run 06 or vantage CPU Test @ 5.5ghz... 6.3ghz no HT for spi1m 6.1ghz for spi 32m. I dont recommend buying those. Sold mine at a huge loss For a 6.3+ golden chip q3fe he asked for $1300

Atleast if manufacturers are binning, they are comming out of the same pool of where you and I buy them so im fine with that

80% of the votes dont want ES to count for points in some shape or form, so what will be done? You cant tell me nothing will be done can you?

[BenchZowner]

Maybe they'll change their mind after people start leaving.
Maybe not.

[knopflerbruce]

*sigh*

Of course we won't do anything, we're just here to make sure the big guys rock the bot. In fact they send us free hardware if we ignore the posts of the average Joe users here It's a good thing you completely ignore any post we write where we say that changes are being planned, as all such posts are obvious written while we're high on some of the stuff the luvly Taiwanese guys included in the superduperfantastic packages they ship us weekly. WE CAN'T GET ENOUGH!!!11!! MOAR MOAR!! MOAR POWR MOAR MONEYZ!!!!11!!

[steponz]

This is a subject where something has to happen, the community is very irritated with the lack of changing rules and/or the handling of this subject.

WHy not just go through all of the cpuz screenshots and mark as ES. FutureMarks will definitely be hard.. You can rely on the owner for this.. Unrealistic insane scores that are on only 1 retail.. will be the method to root out the cheaters...

This needs to be handled now.. not later... its already gone too far.

The votes lead to removing the points... So what is the bot going to do?

[BenchZowner]

Originally Posted by knopflerbruce

http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-i7-980X-Gu...item1e5c532d8b this guy has 4 of them. Pretty good feedback as well. If you want warranty, buy a retail chip. There's also a cheap Q3FE there. Feedback = "some sense of security".

No warranty on engineering samples ofc, but that's how the game works...

I can't tell how many samples Intel even made... and neither can you. I bet Andre didn't put everything on ebay, he could've sold them through forums or personal contacts or whatever.

That's 4 Q3QP's...
Even though I asked for Q3FE's, where are the rest 46 ?

p.s. Sure, Andre sold the crappy 50+ E.S. to his personal contacts and through forums ( well, where are those forums with the E.S. for sale threads ? ), they were all happy to buy crappy chips with no warranty

So, we have 4-5 guys testing 100's of chips each and all the rejects magically disappear without hitting ebay/craigslist/ocbay/etc.

[Bustah]

Dont know why but I cant quote posts on this forum....anyway @Splave, yeah I bought one from that guy too, similar story to yours, mine operates on 5 cores. [that could be a seperate reason] but yeah it was not a good clocking chip at all. so from the perspective and having first hand experience of 'buying' an es chip that was most likely a reject from the binning process, these golden binned es are not available to Joe blogs...I know someone else who bought two with a similar story to splaves and mine, no coincidence. I'm not bitter, we live and learn never again will I pay for an es cpu. my mistake based on my desire to get great results, nothing wrong with that and for those guys who say 'im happy being nowhere in the rankings' great...in my life anything I did I want to compete to win and be among the best, nothing wrong with that either, but I think the whole point of this thread is...a very few ppl have a round football to play with while others have to manage with a square one....and be happy about that? lol.

I respect anyone with skills to achieve great scores, but if there is an identified unfair advantage then im not happy I have to say.

Massman I respect you, you are a good guy but some of the stuff you have said in this thread regarding voting statistics etc make no sense, why have a vote if the majority lose? I dont get that at all. whats the point in polls if the majority are overuled?

[dejo]

One thing to note: if they seperate classes to pro/amatuer/newb, the points will go down accordingly as there will be less submissions to each hardware class. I do feel that the ES stuff should be in a class of its own and not take points away from the real class as far as cups or points, but be allowed as a submission in its own class.

Sure there is no fair way to police the rules outright. But those that get free hardware do have a definite advantage over the average joe. I never have the high end equipment, as I cant afford it. Someone that gets free mobo's and chips and maybe video cards has extra money to spend elsewhere on hardware, that is a huge advantage. But I am one of those average joes. Do I expect to compete with the likes of the top 50: no. I do it as a passtime pleasure. Do I care that I am currently 300 in the world: no. I compete the best I can and let the rest fall where they may. One thing I do know is that if I somehow got nice hardware and did make it up the rankings, It would sure make me feel better to know that I did it against the best there is, rather than be 20th in the newb rankings.

[knopflerbruce]

Let's wait and see if Andre will post the advertized 6.7GHz retail benches. That should prove that you can get a competitive retail if you just bin enough. Then you can choose: bin A0 samples without warranty... you need less, but if you break one -> 1000 bucks in the toilet. Or you can bin B1 retails, and sell them on ebay if they're not good enough. maybe you need to try alot before you find a really good one, but retail binning IS a part of the game, and has always been.

[knopflerbruce]

Originally Posted by BenchZowner

That's 4 Q3QP's...
Even though I asked for Q3FE's, where are the rest 46 ?

p.s. Sure, Andre sold the crappy 50+ E.S. to his personal contacts and through forums ( well, where are those forums with the E.S. for sale threads ? ), they were all happy to buy crappy chips with no warranty

So, we have 4-5 guys testing 100's of chips each and all the rejects magically disappear without hitting ebay/craigslist/ocbay/etc.

Again, how can you tell how many chips each bencher try? You just assume alot... no hard facts. Maybe some end up on ebay, but that happens to shitty retails as well.